 |
Business Directory |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Coupons |
|
|
|
|
|
|
 |
Classifieds |
 |
|
|
|
|
|
| | Author | Messages | |
kenmoreguy72
Posts:223
 | | 10/09/2008 6:48 PM |
 Alert | My friends..
Once again, a reporter said Ayers said that, Ayers denied it.
Do I stand for what Ayers did? No.
But to say Obama "pal" around with terrorists is nonsense. I could just as easily pull out "Mccain associates" that we would agree are pure scum.
Next smear attack my friends. | | | |
|
| | GuyPinestra
Posts:683
| | 10/09/2008 7:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By kenmoreguy72 on 10/09/2008 6:48 PM
My friends..
Once again, a reporter said Ayers said that, Ayers denied it.
Do I stand for what Ayers did? No.
But to say Obama "pal" around with terrorists is nonsense. I could just as easily pull out "Mccain associates" that we would agree are pure scum.
Next smear attack my friends. I'm sure the reporter has tapes and notes of the interview. Do you think that might be the reason the NYTimes hasn't been SUED by Mr. Ayers in the 7 years since the quote was published? And announcing his candicacy for the Illinois State Senate from the man's living room DOESN'T mean they were 'pals'? That much Kool-Aid would DROWN most people.  | |
"The seeds of self-destruction are sown in the shallowness of your mind." | |
|
| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:223
| | 10/09/2008 8:08 PM |
Alert | My friends...
Let's discuss McCain's terrorst ties.
Let's discuss G Gordon Liddy..a supporter and contibutor to McCain campaigns. Liddy who has financially supported McCain more than Ayers ever has Obama.
The same G Gordon Liddy that "gained strength" from listening to Hitler. The same G Gordon Little that told Waco cult members to shoot ATF agents in the head.
Let's discuss Todd Palin's terrorist ties...
Let's discuss his Alaskan Independence Party that Sarah Palin thinks so highly of. Let's discuss their leader, Joe Volger that spoke at the UN through the sponsorship of the world's biggest terrorist network..Iran.
My friends...
next smear attack please. | | | |
|
| | BOB
Posts:378
| | 10/09/2008 8:15 PM |
Alert | Speaking of drowning, a bunch of us did a shot of Patron for everytime McCain said "my friend" during this last debate! We all puked our gutts out afterwards!....what a waste of good booze!
I could never vote for a man who doesn't know me from adam yet calls me his friend! | | | |
|
| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:223
| | 10/09/2008 8:24 PM |
Alert | You are nuts BOB. You drank Patron?? Don't you know about the co-founder of that tequila. He was often associating with members of the Hells Angels. You are a terrorist BOB!!!
But seriously, he did ride with the HA and has quite the story. He is a former US Navy man that was homeless after his service and panhandled and recycled cans to get money. He is now a multi-billionaire.
Probably not a big deal as we can consider someone whose guardian relied on foodstamps and has gone on to become a US Senator/Presidential front-runner is considered an elitist. | | | |
|
| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 10/10/2008 8:35 AM |
Alert | Chill out, Wompus. Stop letting this forum get the best of you. Deep inside my idiotic gut, I think you may be an alright person. After this election is over, what else are we going to get all steamed up about? I just don't understand why you are focusing ALL your energy on Obama, instead of posting good points on McCain. I guess attacking people comes natural to some?.... | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
|
|  | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 10/10/2008 9:14 AM |
Alert | | McCain's daughter is cute........ | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
|
| | Wompus
Posts:634
| | 10/10/2008 3:51 PM |
Alert | McCain has plenty of good qualities but Obama's bad qualities seem to get zero airtime and I thought I would share them.... you know like borderline treason for his stunt in Iraq.
Make you a deal, after the election we'll meet for a beer and whoever's candidate loses buys the first 2 rounds? | | | |
|
| | *rikimaru*
Posts:497
| | 10/10/2008 5:03 PM |
Alert | thats the problem with republicans, they dont know how to change. we are not colonial americans anymore, we dont keep slaves, our women can vote&have equal rights, etc etc so the idea that just cuz we were not founded on a socialist ideal is retarded. Denmark&other countries were first clans with chieftains, then a royal lineage, then a democracy etc so if they can change why cant we? republicans are holding this country back, in this day and age its not Me Me Me, instead it should be We We We.
Cant be a coincidence that we also seem to have the largest concentration of religious zealots on the planet even more so than radical islam, they also are holding us back.
like i have said before, i agree with drummer in that we need to move to a socialist economy&form of government. i dont know about wompus, but if it makes my life&my families lives easier as well as everyone elses, then why not? life is too short to hang onto an ideology that doesnt work anymore.
is there a legitimate reason why denmark or france or germany has a better quality of life than we do? we should have just as good a quality of life here, the difference is here the money goes to the top&maybe kinda sorta eventually it reaches to the middle class&lower classes. over there, money flows from the bottom up which is the way it should be. | |
listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
|
| | *rikimaru*
Posts:497
| | 10/10/2008 5:08 PM |
Alert | i bet you if americans were laid out a clear concise plan explaining how a shift to a socialist country would make them and their families lives easier, than yes they would go for it.
i like many americans are tired of the trickle down policies of republicans, money needs to flow from the ground up not top down.
why is it that denmark and all the european countries enjoy a better quality of life than we do? that is not acceptable to me, and shouldnt be for anyone else.
as far as not being founded on a socialist ideal, neither were these other countries. most were clans with their chieftains, then a royal family lineage, then a democracy so if they can change why cant we? | |
listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
|
| | hastings1066
Posts:1011
| | 10/10/2008 6:53 PM |
Alert | Three of the countries you mentioned were included in a survey done in June and July by the the international polling organization Synovate. In the section of the survey dealing with the US, the question was asked "If you could, would you emigrate to the US?". The results - Netherlands 55% yes, France 52% yes, Germany 20% yes, Canada 27% yes, Spain 32% yes, the UK 30% yes. I wonder why such large percentages of countries with socialist policies want to move to the big, bad ,selfish, US. | | | |
|
| | Wompus
Posts:634
| | 10/10/2008 7:33 PM |
Alert | I respectively disagree with your assessment but I do find it interesting that you think socialism and chieftain like societies are different. They are both built on collectivism and shy away from the individual. How are they different? There isn't a "No risk, no reward" mentality so how do things improve. Look at the quality of output of socialist countries, just post that phrase in google and see what comes up.
Denmark's current taxx rate is about 70% and that just doesn't work for me either.
The problem with democrats is that they think that throwing tax dollars against ANY problem will make it go away. OF COURSE democrats would go for an easier life, I mean they are the party of 'something for nothing' so why would that be a surprise?
So you are against trickle down. What is your solution? Pay a doctor the same as a McDonalds fry guy?
Who said the EU or Denmark have a higher quality of life? I mean besides Drummer? I believe the value systems are just different. What are salaries comparitively? BTW The dollar is bouncing back. Maybe we needed a market adjustment, although not quite so dramatic. | | | |
|
| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 10/11/2008 11:02 AM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 10/10/2008 3:51 PM
McCain has plenty of good qualities but Obama's bad qualities seem to get zero airtime and I thought I would share them.... you know like borderline treason for his stunt in Iraq.
Make you a deal, after the election we'll meet for a beer and whoever's candidate loses buys the first 2 rounds?
I'll see your 2 rounds and throw in another round!
| |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
|
| | thick
Posts:652
| | 10/11/2008 12:39 PM |
Alert | like i have said before, i agree with drummer in that we need to move to a socialist economy&form of government. i dont know about wompus, but if it makes my life&my families lives easier as well as everyone elses, then why not? life is too short to hang onto an ideology that doesnt work anymore.
The commune lifestyle doesn't work for everyone... namely the earners and the producers. You do have the option to find one of those communities and give it a go (there used to be one up by the Frank Lloyd Wright museum, I think... if Denmark is too far away for you). I prefer to stay here where I work hard for my family.
Who said the EU or Denmark have a higher quality of life?
Lol. According to some young, lazy 20 YO's interviewed last year, socialism in Denmark is "da bomb!" Surprise, surprise! | | | |
|
| | *rikimaru*
Posts:497
| | 10/11/2008 4:52 PM |
Alert | i bet its easy to say the EU doesnt have a better quality of life, but if you ask any poor family or even middle class american family who is struggling to pay for health insurance or send their kids to college that other countries dont have these worries, then you may find that they would welcome that kind of lifestyle.
seems over there they dont have the rat trapped in a maze approach, they are healthier&have more vacation time,maternity leave&dont have to worry about a big insurance company telling them their loved ones cant get life saving procedures because they dont want to pay the big price tag.
we could have a similar setup here, but right wingers dont want to take care of anyone else but themselves. bet if they were the ones having to face their loved ones dying&their insurance company denying them care then they would sing a different tune about universal healthcare. | |
listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
|
| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1203
| | 10/11/2008 5:18 PM |
Alert | If you and enough others vote for a certain candidate for president on November 4, then you'll find out what Socialism is like! Unfortunately, we all will!  | | | |
|
| | *rikimaru*
Posts:497
| | 10/11/2008 5:23 PM |
Alert | | thats fine, about time the people start becoming the priority instead of fat cats looking to get richer and finding a bedfellow for them in the whitehouse (dubya) | |
listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
|
| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1203
| | 10/11/2008 5:46 PM |
Alert | I know what you're saying. Our current situation is absolutely pathetic. I don't know of anyone in our government that we can really trust! But, we humans being what we are, I'm not convinced it would be any different in any other form of government. Sorry to be so negative .... I'm just old and crotchety! | | | |
|
| | *rikimaru*
Posts:497
| | 10/11/2008 5:54 PM |
Alert | | i understand, i dont believe anyone in washington is guiltless. i truly believe only with socialism will the average citized start to get looked after. i am fine with higher taxes as long as the countries healthcare,education&overall well being is met. | |
listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
|
| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 10/11/2008 10:13 PM |
Alert | | Get a job! j/k lol | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
|
| |
| | You are not authorized to post a reply. |
|
| |
ActiveForums 3.6 |
|
|
|