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| | Author | Messages | |
Wompus
Posts:634
 | | 09/04/2008 9:14 AM |
 Alert | JasonY, you are cracking me up. It is HILARIOUS that Spears' set designer worked with Obama, especially after the celebrity comments.
As for substance, what has Obama done for Chicago besides clean up a park and get involved with some of the shady characters in its underground? Do you hear ypurself? He is a man of substance but he has no experience and is a gamble? So where is the substance then?
As for your idea that McCain isn't helping veterans, you are cut off from the Obama Kool-Aid as you have clearly had too much.
Maybe the commercials will continue the same way, then I guess people will have to think for themselves... God forbid. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 09/04/2008 9:35 AM |
Alert | McCain opposed the 21rst Century GI Bill that Senator Jim Webb (D) and Chuck Hagel (R) proposed. He flip flops just as much as Obama, so now I am laughing at the Republicans..
John McCain skipped close to a dozen votes on Iraq, and on at least another 10 occasions, he voted against arming and equipping the troops, providing adequate rest for the troops between deployments and for health care or other benefits for veterans.
In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor.
September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.
July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.
March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.
February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.
June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.
May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.
October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.
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"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | Wompus
Posts:634
| | 09/04/2008 9:56 AM |
Alert | LOL
Like I said, chill with the kool-ail, there is too much sugar in it and it makes you talk out of the wrong orifice.
I just picked one of yours: "June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so."
Enlighten me how giving the enemy a date of US troop withdrawl actually helps the military.
While you are at it, check some of your other "Facts" and see how many of those votes were for excess pork spending. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011
| | 09/04/2008 11:29 AM |
Alert | As anyone who knows how the legislative branch works knows, important issues often are dealt with in competing bills. A legislator votes for the one he approves of and against the others. This leaves him open to criticism from those who know little of the process or who know but seek to deceive. A good example was the veterans benefits bill. McCain voted for the version that rewarded those with more service more generously that it did those with less service. The goal was to encourage retention in the service so that skilled troops would be retained. Dishonest people ,and their dupes, ignore this fact and just claim that McCain is anti-veteran because he voted against the other version of the bill. As I said, dishonest. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 09/04/2008 1:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 09/04/2008 9:56 AM
LOL
Like I said, chill with the kool-ail, there is too much sugar in it and it makes you talk out of the wrong orifice.
I just picked one of yours: "June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so."
Enlighten me how giving the enemy a date of US troop withdrawl actually helps the military.
While you are at it, check some of your other "Facts" and see how many of those votes were for excess pork spending.
LOL With all your Koolaid talk, your posts have as much "substance" as Obama's speeches. I like how you pick and choose from the evidence of McCain's voting record. You care to elaborate on the other statements I posted? Where are your facts?
Enlighten me how long you think Iraq will remain stable after we leave. Five years? Ten years? A people have to want to help themselves. Here's a news flash for you....people have been fighting in the Middle East for over 2000 years and it ain't gonna end so get over it...... | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | MissLisaMarie
Posts:174
| | 09/04/2008 1:30 PM |
Alert | | Yeah... what Jason said!!! | |
A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice. | |
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|  | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 09/04/2008 1:33 PM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 09/04/2008 11:29 AM As anyone who knows how the legislative branch works knows, important issues often are dealt with in competing bills. A legislator votes for the one he approves of and against the others. This leaves him open to criticism from those who know little of the process or who know but seek to deceive. A good example was the veterans benefits bill. McCain voted for the version that rewarded those with more service more generously that it did those with less service. The goal was to encourage retention in the service so that skilled troops would be retained. Dishonest people ,and their dupes, ignore this fact and just claim that McCain is anti-veteran because he voted against the other version of the bill. As I said, dishonest. I didn't know the government now places a value on how long someone has served. I guess someone who served one year in Iraq isn't as good a soldier as someone who served ten years in Europe? What if a guy signed up for four years, gets wounded in combat, and has to be discharged after six months? Oops! No GI Bill for you! I yearn for a President who was prior ENLISTED not officer...... | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | pbuckles
Posts:0
| | 09/04/2008 2:25 PM |
Alert | "I didn't know the government now places a value on how long someone has served."
Jason,
What is your experience with the military? I spent 22 years as a U.S. Marine. Time in Service and time in grade have been of the utmost importance, enlisted, or officer. In the long run, we were all Marines, with mutual respect for each other. What do you really know about the officer and enlisted ranks?
Me? I prefer a man or woman who can do the job as President. Their rank while in Military service is of little or no consequence. Military service of the individual is a plus, yet, not a deal maker/breaker when considering ability. By the way, I was 22 years enlisted, and was not a friend many times to the 'zeroes'. Discipline taught us respect, none-the-less. Often times that respect means survival, period. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 09/04/2008 2:54 PM |
Alert | Posted By pbuckles on 09/04/2008 2:25 PM
"I didn't know the government now places a value on how long someone has served."
Jason,
What is your experience with the military? I spent 22 years as a U.S. Marine. Time in Service and time in grade have been of the utmost importance, enlisted, or officer. In the long run, we were all Marines, with mutual respect for each other. What do you really know about the officer and enlisted ranks?
Me? I prefer a man or woman who can do the job as President. Their rank while in Military service is of little or no consequence. Military service of the individual is a plus, yet, not a deal maker/breaker when considering ability. By the way, I was 22 years enlisted, and was not a friend many times to the 'zeroes'. Discipline taught us respect, none-the-less. Often times that respect means survival, period.
I agree with you, and if the Republicans will quit harping on his service so much and tell us what he plans to do they might get more supporters. I guess I'll have to listen tonight.
I have twelve years experience in the military. And I believe that anyone who pays their $1200 in the first year to get the GI Bill, should get the same GI Bill as everyone else. Except of course if they get dishonorably discharged. | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:653
| | 09/04/2008 3:05 PM |
Alert | I was in 11 years. I understand how time of service could be used as a scale for GI Bill. Otherwise, the greater payoff would be to leave sooner. I see it similar to reenlistment bonuses when rank and time are used with a multiplier. The greater the committment of time ,the greater the reward.
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My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:653
| | 09/04/2008 3:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By azreplant on 09/03/2008 3:33 PM
Leon,
The times quoted above are CDT so the big guns begin at 6 MST with Palin on around 7:30 MST.
Btw, Gov. Palin speech started at 7:30 Maricopa time. I stuck around to see it. I caught the other speakers, too. Well, I missed Mitt Romney.
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My answer WAS "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | pbuckles
Posts:0
| | 09/04/2008 3:42 PM |
Alert | | In your twelve years you really should have noticed the importance put on time in service. It would make sense to me that McCain, who I'm not completely ready to give a nod to, would consider the person's time in service when benefits are paid out. The military rewards those who stick around, those who survive. The 'Boot' who pays in 1200.00 doesn't rate the same benefits as a Cpl. or Sgt., on so on, who likely has paid much more than simple dollars. It is not a 'democracy', and, thank God, it is not like the civilian world. | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:723
| | 09/04/2008 10:57 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 09/04/2008 8:04 AM In all fairness, does anyone really care who designed anyone's set? Really? Who cares.
Obama has substance, he has done alot for Chicago. Talk trash if you have volunteered more than he has. Sure, he has less experience, but we have all seen what "experience" has proven the last twenty years haven't we? Maybe a fresh start from the ground up is what we need. Big gamble though which could be bad.
McCain has substance, the guy is war hero and maverick. Doesn't mean sh** though when you are approving bills and writing legislature. Harping on military service a little too much can sometimes seem a little patronizing no? Play the military card, but then be prepared when people ask you why you voted no on legislature that helps veterans. I'm impressed by Biden and Palin more than the presidential candidates. But it all for show anyways, so enjoy the commercial and prepare for more of the same in January (either way). Wow, Obama volunteered somewhere? I volunteered A LOT in high school...I wonder if I should start campaigning to be President....Thx for the idea! | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:723
| | 09/04/2008 11:03 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 09/04/2008 2:54 PM Posted By pbuckles on 09/04/2008 2:25 PM
"I didn't know the government now places a value on how long someone has served."
Jason,
What is your experience with the military? I spent 22 years as a U.S. Marine. Time in Service and time in grade have been of the utmost importance, enlisted, or officer. In the long run, we were all Marines, with mutual respect for each other. What do you really know about the officer and enlisted ranks?
Me? I prefer a man or woman who can do the job as President. Their rank while in Military service is of little or no consequence. Military service of the individual is a plus, yet, not a deal maker/breaker when considering ability. By the way, I was 22 years enlisted, and was not a friend many times to the 'zeroes'. Discipline taught us respect, none-the-less. Often times that respect means survival, period.
I agree with you, and if the Republicans will quit harping on his service so much and tell us what he plans to do they might get more supporters. I guess I'll have to listen tonight.
I have twelve years experience in the military. And I believe that anyone who pays their $1200 in the first year to get the GI Bill, should get the same GI Bill as everyone else. Except of course if they get dishonorably discharged. Yeah, I believe that someone who works 12 hours per week should make the same pay as someone who works 40 hours per week in the same job...uh no. Why would people stay in the military for 8 years when they can stay for 2 and get the same amount of respect and money as the guy who stays in longer? That doesn't make sense. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 09/05/2008 10:40 AM |
Alert | Posted By asugrl on 09/04/2008 11:03 PM Yeah, I believe that someone who works 12 hours per week should make the same pay as someone who works 40 hours per week in the same job...uh no. Why would people stay in the military for 8 years when they can stay for 2 and get the same amount of respect and money as the guy who stays in longer? That doesn't make sense.
Um, that's not at all close to what I said asugrl. RANK is what gets you respect in the military (actually hard work and the respect of your subordinates). I have seen alot of people who were in a long time but never did sh** on the job. I have also seen E-1s bust their butts more than E-8s, so rank isn't the end all either. | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:723
| | 09/05/2008 12:20 PM |
Alert | | Ok, I know it wasn't exact, but you get my gist. Typically, higher ranked people are well respected for a reason; they usually worked hard to get there. Why should they get the same pay and benefits as someone who just joined? They should all get something for joining, of course, but it shouldn't be the same if one has been working harder than the other for a longer time. | | | |
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| | mychoice
Posts:28
| | 09/05/2008 12:38 PM |
Alert | Palin's white trash.....her sister didn't even speak very highly of her. Biden will make mince meat out of her in the debate | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 09/05/2008 1:37 PM |
Alert | Posted By asugrl on 09/05/2008 12:20 PM
Ok, I know it wasn't exact, but you get my gist. Typically, higher ranked people are well respected for a reason; they usually worked hard to get there. Why should they get the same pay and benefits as someone who just joined? They should all get something for joining, of course, but it shouldn't be the same if one has been working harder than the other for a longer time.
I agree with you, but the topic was about the GI Bill. Which should be the same for all service members once they pay in their $1200. If you want to keep soldiers in longer, pay them better. I am all for that. I remember being E-3 and qualifying for food stamps.
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"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 09/05/2008 4:35 PM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 09/03/2008 9:56 PM
Oh man, I am laughing so hard it hurts now. You think Obama is a man of substance? I mean besides being a carbon life force I am surprised his lack of backbone and depth hasn't made him flop around like Jello on the countertop.
You missed the Britney Spears reference. I wasn't comparing Palin to Spears. I was comparing Obama to Britney Spears... they used the same exact stage designer, or did you miss that article in your teenbeat? I knew what you meant, dude! I'm not as stupid as you'd like me to be. I was refering to Jamie Lynn, because she got knocked up young too. | |
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