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Subject: Hillary supporters...will you vote McCain/Palin now?
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OBG IIUser is Offline

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08/30/2008 5:13 AM Alert 

Would be hard to resist putting a woman in the Blair House.  Will you switch and vote Palin in...McCain will never last his four years.?


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ProtofishUser is Offline

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08/30/2008 5:22 AM Alert 

What exactly is a Blair house? And why wouldn't McCain last 4 years?

If you are trying to say McCain is old, wasn't Reagan like 71 or 73 when he got elected?

OBG IIUser is Offline

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08/30/2008 5:30 AM Alert 

Its not a Blair house; it is the Blair House and is the residence of the vice president.

No, Reagan was 69 when elected;  served 1981-1989; born in Feb 1911.

Have you ever noticed how the presidents age when in office?  Not lasting is a prediction, nothing more.

So now that all that is clarified, as a Hillary supporter will you be voting for McCain/Palin?


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08/30/2008 8:05 AM Alert 

The Presidency does age them very fast.  Check out the before and after pics of Reagan, Clinton or any of the others.

While Palin is a woman, she has some crazy right wing policies.  They won't fly with the Hillary crowd.



I think the concept of god has outlived its usefulness. It is time to put it out of its misery.
JangofettUser is Offline

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08/30/2008 10:42 AM Alert 

McCain could not have chosen a running mate that is more opposite to Hillary Clinton on just about every single issue being debated this election. The only Clinton supporters that may buy in to this, are the people that were supporting her ONLY because she was a woman and nothing more, votes Obama would have never received anyway.

The Clinton supporters that saw her as a qualified woman that is on their side of the issues and ready to be president are either unaffected, or in some cases, outraged at  the blatant pandering and borderline sexism. By choosing a clearly unqualified female candidate the republicans are try to upstage the Dems historic nomination. It is a gimmicky and desperate move. This nomination has nothing to do with helping move the country forward, and everything to do with winning an election.

Remember, the main Clinton theme in her race against Obama, was her readiness to lead. Why would a totally unqualified VP candidate running with a presidential nominee that already has one foot in the grave change any of their minds. This really speaks to a clear lack of judgment on McCain's part, and makes my really question his integrity, and this coming from a McCain supporter in 2000.

 

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08/30/2008 10:56 AM Alert 

Having Palin on the Republican ticket will not draw the female supporters of Clinton.  No way!  She may be female but her stance on issues are everything that Democrats are against.  She is pro-life, she is a strong supporter of NRA and she thinks drilling for oil all over Alaska and the Alaska shoreline would just be wonderful.  She could not be more of a right-winged conservative than Rush Limba, and McCain thinks she is a "maverick"??  Just goes to show that he really is starting to get dementia in his old age.  Too bad because once he was someone that I admired for his "maverick" ways and objective thinking.

 

 

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08/30/2008 10:57 AM Alert 

No doubt this choice will unseat the fence-sitters.  Either you like Palin or hate her.  Still, McPalin ticket is a good balance for Repubs. 

I see a solid victory for McPalin in Nov.

Obiden is going down!


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JangofettUser is Offline

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08/30/2008 11:04 AM Alert 
Posted By OBG II on 08/30/2008 10:57 AM

No doubt this choice will unseat the fence-sitters.  Either you like Palin or hate her.  Still, McPalin ticket is a good balance for Repubs. 

I see a solid victory for McPalin in Nov.

Obiden is going down!

The problem here is that any independent voters that were leaning toward McCain are now out the window. The far, far, far right wing views on social issues that Palin holds leaves this independent voter, and NRA member, at loss on what this campaign is thinking. In an election that moving toward the middle is essential on getting elected, McCain’s once great record of being a centrist is now destroyed.

 

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08/30/2008 12:53 PM Alert 
It might draw the lesbian/dyke voters. The ones that drive jeeps, have mullets and like to hunt.

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MarniUser is Offline

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08/30/2008 1:11 PM Alert 
While Palin is a woman, she has some crazy right wing policies. They won't fly with the Hillary crowd.


I am confused by your quote at the bottom
McCain/Palin '08 - Hillary 2012 - Obama NEVER


So, you are voting for McCain/Palin in '08. You want Clinton in 2012. You don't want Obama. So, are you voting for McCain/Palin for the fact that Palin has a vagina? Since, Clinton is the opposite to Polin. Are you doing it so, Clinton can become President in 2012?

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08/30/2008 1:28 PM Alert 

It would be illogical for Clinton supporters to vote for the Republicans. the differences between the positions of Clinton and Obama are about the thickness of a sheet of paper. They both represent the far left wing of the Democratic party. The only difference between them was that Clinton felt that she was owed the nomination because she is a woman, and Obama felt that he was owed the nomination because he is black. As far as positions on policy, and political philosophy go, they are twins. But, having said that, one must also ask, whoever said that voters were logical?

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08/30/2008 1:44 PM Alert 
Posted By Jangofett on 08/30/2008 11:04 AM
Posted By OBG II on 08/30/2008 10:57 AM

No doubt this choice will unseat the fence-sitters.  Either you like Palin or hate her.  Still, McPalin ticket is a good balance for Repubs. 

I see a solid victory for McPalin in Nov.

Obiden is going down!

The problem here is that any independent voters that were leaning toward McCain are now out the window. The far, far, far right wing views on social issues that Palin holds leaves this independent voter, and NRA member, at loss on what this campaign is thinking. In an election that moving toward the middle is essential on getting elected, McCain’s once great record of being a centrist is now destroyed.

 

Actually, I just may vote for McCain now. He was too liberal a Repub. for me, and I think she balances it out for the right wingers. And, I had no idea that the Democrats were supposedly the only ones allowed to have a woman or minority run...anyone who thinks that is childish, IMO. Are they gonna cry now because Repubs stole their thunder? I thought they wanted to better the country, not just try to have as historical an election as possible.

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08/30/2008 1:46 PM Alert 
Posted By drummer72 on 08/30/2008 12:53 PM
It might draw the lesbian/dyke voters. The ones that drive jeeps, have mullets and like to hunt.


Yeah, just like Hillary drew the angry feminist lesbians who want everything handed to them on a silver platter just because they are women. Wait, maybe Palin voters and Hillary voters have more in common after all!

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08/30/2008 1:49 PM Alert 
Posted By AZ Dreaming on 08/30/2008 10:56 AM

Having Palin on the Republican ticket will not draw the female supporters of Clinton.  No way!  She may be female but her stance on issues are everything that Democrats are against.  She is pro-life, she is a strong supporter of NRA and she thinks drilling for oil all over Alaska and the Alaska shoreline would just be wonderful.  She could not be more of a right-winged conservative than Rush Limba, and McCain thinks she is a "maverick"??  Just goes to show that he really is starting to get dementia in his old age.  Too bad because once he was someone that I admired for his "maverick" ways and objective thinking.

Wow, she sounds great. Her presence might actually draw the conservatives who thought McCain was too moderate before. And, now we can join the Democrat's fun game and tell anyone who says they are not voting for McPalin that they are prejudiced against women. I can't wait to start!

 

 

 

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08/30/2008 4:07 PM Alert 
Posted By asugrl on 08/30/2008 1:44 PM
Posted By Jangofett on 08/30/2008 11:04 AM
Posted By OBG II on 08/30/2008 10:57 AM

No doubt this choice will unseat the fence-sitters.  Either you like Palin or hate her.  Still, McPalin ticket is a good balance for Repubs. 

I see a solid victory for McPalin in Nov.

Obiden is going down!

The problem here is that any independent voters that were leaning toward McCain are now out the window. The far, far, far right wing views on social issues that Palin holds leaves this independent voter, and NRA member, at loss on what this campaign is thinking. In an election that moving toward the middle is essential on getting elected, McCain’s once great record of being a centrist is now destroyed.

 

Actually, I just may vote for McCain now. He was too liberal a Repub. for me, and I think she balances it out for the right wingers. And, I had no idea that the Democrats were supposedly the only ones allowed to have a woman or minority run...anyone who thinks that is childish, IMO. Are they gonna cry now because Repubs stole their thunder? I thought they wanted to better the country, not just try to have as historical an election as possible.


No one party ever holds the claim to making history on its own. The question is whether you attempting to make history, or just letting it happened naturally. Neither Obama nor Clinton ran on race or gender.  The selection of Palin is clear pandering from where I stand.

The question will be the ratio of votes lost from independents, Regan Democrats and the disenfranchised Clinton supporters to the votes gained from the religious right.. It may save a few normally red states from going Blue, but I am not sure it will be enough to swing the election. Only time will tell.

 It is clear that McCain is attempting to change his message again, from experience to change. It is generally hard for an incumbent party from a wildly unpopular president and perceived failed policies to run on a change message and it opens himself up for more criticism.

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08/30/2008 8:26 PM Alert 
Posted By drummer72 on 08/30/2008 12:53 PM
It might draw the lesbian/dyke voters. The ones that drive jeeps, have mullets and like to hunt.

 

No, Janet Napalitano is a Democrat.



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08/30/2008 10:21 PM Alert 
Posted By Jangofett on 08/30/2008 4:07 PM


No one party ever holds the claim to making history on its own. The question is whether you attempting to make history, or just letting it happened naturally. Neither Obama nor Clinton ran on race or gender.  The selection of Palin is clear pandering from where I stand.

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Wow! We must have been looking at two different Democratic primary races.

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08/30/2008 11:46 PM Alert 
Posted By hastings1066 on 08/30/2008 10:21 PM
Posted By Jangofett on 08/30/2008 4:07 PM


No one party ever holds the claim to making history on its own. The question is whether you attempting to make history, or just letting it happened naturally. Neither Obama nor Clinton ran on race or gender.  The selection of Palin is clear pandering from where I stand.

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Wow! We must have been looking at two different Democratic primary races.

 

Never once did I hear the words "vote for me becuase I am black", or" vote for me becuase I am a woman" uttered from either of their mouths. Hillary never really disucssed the history of her run until after her defeat. Obama has made it a point of running not as a black American, but just an American.

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08/31/2008 9:44 AM Alert 
Actually you are wrong in both cases. Obama said that he didn't look like the other Presidents on the dollar bills. Ummm, what was he referring to if not the fact that he is black?
Hillary CONSTANTLY referred to the old and young women she met at her luncheons saying how her run was groundbreaking and history in the making. Ummm, what was SHE referring to if not the fact that she was a woman.... AND married to the first black President? LOL
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08/31/2008 12:30 PM Alert 

Posted By Wompus on 08/31/2008 9:44 AM
Actually you are wrong in both cases. Obama said that he didn't look like the other Presidents on the dollar bills. Ummm, what was he referring to if not the fact that he is black?
Hillary CONSTANTLY referred to the old and young women she met at her luncheons saying how her run was groundbreaking and history in the making. Ummm, what was SHE referring to if not the fact that she was a woman.... AND married to the first black President? Lol

I will give you that Hillary had made those statements, on the campaign trail. Obama however was on the defensive againt specific attacks on his character, and I would agree were a poor choice of words. However I would argue that is far from running on the message of Vote for me becuase I am black.

There is no doubt that race and gender have been used on both sides of the debate. But I still can't see where either canidate was running on specifically on the "Woman or "Black" message. Hillary's main message was always on her experince and Obama has always been on change.

 

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