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TheBoymaker
Posts:855
 | | 07/16/2008 2:39 AM |
 Alert | I only ever hear from NOW when a conservative is doing something wrong (Clarence Thomas, etc.). Where do American women need the most guidance/support? | |
`cos everybody hates a tourist
Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh.
Yeah and the chip stain and grease will come out in the bath...
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| | BOB
Posts:378
| | 07/16/2008 3:38 AM |
Alert | Posted By TheBoymaker on 07/16/2008 2:39 AM I only ever hear from NOW when a conservative is doing something wrong (Clarence Thomas, etc.). Where do American women need the most guidance/support? errrrr I would have to say behind the wheel bob!!!!! | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:740
| | 07/16/2008 11:02 PM |
Alert | To be honest? At home, having a educated at home parent has shown to make better marriages and more informed and educated children. But this should not be just for woman of course, I know a few great stay at home dads. There are other advantages as well, enviroment, savings, etc, etc. It just seems that somehow its turned into a bad thing to be a stay at home mom/dad. Not sure where that happened and why. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:644
| | 07/17/2008 4:57 PM |
Alert | Education!
If a woman is educated she will be better able to make good decisions that affect her and her family and should give her confidence in making those decisions.
Definately education! | | | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:538
| | 07/17/2008 5:37 PM |
Alert | Women, as their situations permit, need to return to the home and focus more on the family values their children are being taught and less on having both the career and the family life.
That is not to say they shouldn't be educated - most definitely they should - but it was when women started working outside the home (during WWII) that the decline of family values began, which led to moral disinegration, divorce rate, etc, etc, etc.
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| | jhall
Posts:1351
| | 07/17/2008 5:48 PM |
Alert | | I agree love@hm | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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|  | Ringo
Posts:144
| | 07/17/2008 6:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By love@hm on 07/17/2008 5:37 PM
Women, as their situations permit, need to return to the home and focus more on the family values their children are being taught and less on having both the career and the family life.
That is not to say they shouldn't be educated - most definitely they should - but it was when women started working outside the home (during WWII) that the decline of family values began, which led to moral disinegration, divorce rate, etc, etc, etc.
I agree, and quote this for truth.
I have never been one for avatars but jhall where can I get that ONE?? | |
The bailout is wrong. We should not do it. My God this is the stupidest idea ever. Bush is stupid if he signs this. But he has done other stupid things | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:644
| | 07/17/2008 10:46 PM |
Alert | Posted By love@hm on 07/17/2008 5:37 PM
Women, as their situations permit, need to return to the home and focus more on the family values their children are being taught and less on having both the career and the family life.
That is not to say they shouldn't be educated - most definitely they should - but it was when women started working outside the home (during WWII) that the decline of family values began, which led to moral disinegration, divorce rate, etc, etc, etc.
This is exactly why education is so important. I believe more women will choose to do the right thing for their families and themselves if they understand the potential consequences in each decision and see the importance of prioritizing. Education brings about more than the knowledge from books and experience, but many times it also enables us to see the bigger picture. An intelligent stay at home mom/wife can be so much more effective than an undereducated one!
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| | love@hm
Posts:538
| | 07/18/2008 7:54 AM |
Alert | This is exactly why education is so important. I believe more women will choose to do the right thing for their families and themselves if they understand the potential consequences in each decision and see the importance of prioritizing. Education brings about more than the knowledge from books and experience, but many times it also enables us to see the bigger picture. An intelligent stay at home mom/wife can be so much more effective than an undereducated one!
TOTALLY AGREE. | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:223
| | 07/18/2008 8:12 AM |
Alert | Don't know...I'm a guy. Whatever they want to focus on.
I don't believe that women entering the workforce led to a decline in family values. I grew up ion a home with a working mother and believe I have been brought up with good values.
This is 2008, I think there are many people that wish for the old days of Leave it to Beaver. Not gonna happen folks. We are not going back in time, we can only make the future better. Very rarely can a family of 4 live the ideal American lifestyle on one salary nowadays. I think that a man a woman need to focus on finding a successul balance between their home and careers. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 07/18/2008 8:29 AM |
Alert | Posted By love@hm on 07/17/2008 5:37 PM
Women, as their situations permit, need to return to the home and focus more on the family values their children are being taught and less on having both the career and the family life.
That is not to say they shouldn't be educated - most definitely they should - but it was when women started working outside the home (during WWII) that the decline of family values began, which led to moral disinegration, divorce rate, etc, etc, etc.
Wow, your brainwashing is complete. I am not a woman and yet highly offended. If a woman wants to go to college, good for her. Let her. If she wants to stay single or have no kids, good for her. If she wants to pursue a career great. What is this the arab world? Should all women stay at home and wear burkas? Who decides what family values and morals are? Women, as their situations permit, need to follow their dreams whatever they may be.
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"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1351
| | 07/18/2008 8:58 AM |
Alert | | I manage to do it Kenmore. We are blessed to be able to have my wife be a stay a t home mom. Sure I work a job and run a business. But I know my daughter is going to be raised right by her mother and father and not a daycare. I can't imagine being a parent and not wanting to be near your kids. I understand some peoples situations prevent them from doing so, but if its possible I don't see how they wouldn't want to be home with their children. | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:538
| | 07/18/2008 8:59 AM |
Alert | Offended or not, that is what I believe, and I, AS A WOMAN, hold to it.
However, no where did I say a woman shouldn't go to college or should remain uneducated - in fact, I said just the opposite.
I don't want to return to the 50's and be a Leave it to Beaver mom. I do believe society (and yes, I realize I am speaking out against society and am in the minority) have told women they belong in the work force as much as their husbands. It is because society has determined that women should leave their children in someone else's care in order to pay for the big house and the week long vacation at a resort, the constant out-to-eats, the boat and recreational vehicles, that people find it difficult to support a family on one salary.
We have a family of 6 - on one salary. It isn't easy, I have seen larger families support themselves on less - they amaze me and I don't know how they do it. I consider myself very fortunate.
Some women work because there is a necessity to do so. I do not fault them at all. If they cannot afford their moderate house payment or food for their kids, why on earth would they stay home? But society dictates the need of MORE -
"I *need* to work to keep our lifestyle as it is".
"I *need* to work because I deserve a social life."
"I *need* to work because that is what I enjoy."
It is the start to a selfish attitude. Not to say all women who work are selfish, but when women work because they want both the career and the family - and for NO OTHER REASON - they are allowing others to raise their children for their selfish desires.
I don't decide who needs to work and who doesn't. I don't even pretend to be able to know people's situations. But most of the problems the youth of today are having could be rectified if mothers returned home - not to be a June Cleaver, but to be a modern SAHM. (I drive, I wear pants, and I have even - on occasion - brought money into my home while BEING at home.)
OH, and so no one is confused - you will find people in my own faith, that would disagree with me -
Brainwashed, LOL!
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:644
| | 07/18/2008 9:25 AM |
Alert | | I have known working women who have a husband and children and in no way should be stay at home moms. They completely lack that mothering, loving instinct that you would think is natural for all women. The truth is, that instict is not naturally ocurring in everyone and you should consider yourself lucky if you do have it. I have also known families who planned on having children and putting them in day care while mom went back to work then realized that they missed their babies so much it was unbearable. Families need to allow for the option of mom leaving her job to raise her own kids instead of farming them out. Education would hopefully let women see that there are so many other educated stay at home moms out there, it is ok to make that choice. In fact, they should plan for that option before they are ever pregnant. | | | |
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| | ChimneyDuck
Posts:293
| | 07/18/2008 10:42 AM |
Alert | | Believe it or not, not ALL women want to raise kids. Further more not all married couples want to raise kids. Aside from domestic abuse (which isn't unique to home mothers), stay at home mothers really don't need help from a political organization, people that need help are ones that may need help advancing at the work environment. | |
http://www.maricopabikeclub.com - Join us for a bicycle ride. | |
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| | pbuckles
Posts:0
| | 07/18/2008 11:06 AM |
Alert | Ok, sing along now, "I am woman hear me Roar"!!.
"Where do American women need the most guidance/support?"
I'm thinking they need guideance in asking the proper questions. Why do American women need guideance? Stay at home, raise your children, or, go out into the workplace make a career, raise a family. Men do these things, women can certainly do the same. Women do not need any more guideance and support than men, at least not if they truely seek equality.
But then again, keep asking for unnecessary guidedance, (read: approval), and support. You are FREE do do as you like. Take your freedom. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 07/18/2008 12:01 PM |
Alert | Wear your burka, stay home, and be quiet! lol j/k
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"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:644
| | 07/18/2008 12:03 PM |
Alert | | Take a deep breath there pbuckles, no one is saying cram education down womens throats and force them to learn against their will. There are many women who, if better educated, would make very different decisions in life. Maybe this scares you. Now you can say all you want that men and women are the same, but they are not. One is not worse than the other, but they are different. People should embrace those differences and use them to their and their families advantage. To do anything but is an ignorant waste. Crazy feminists do more harm than good for women who listen and buy into that crap. This is at the top of the list of reasons why education is so important! | | | |
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| | ROCKmeHARDPLACE
Posts:186
| | 07/18/2008 1:37 PM |
Alert | I couldn't agree more Bionicbunny. I think the women's lib movement has done tremendous harm for women in general. Every woman should have the freedom to make decisions for herself and what suits her family. Once we make women who choose to stay home with their children somehow less than "career" women we pit each against the other. I'm old enough to have seen the results of working mom's and feel very strongly if there is anyway possible and she WANTS to stay home with her children, that is where she should be. On the other hand, a woman who does not want to be home with her children and does so out of guilt is doing more harm than good.
I'm not so sure how to answer The Boymaker's question of where do American women need the most support/guidance. One thing I do know, as long as we objectify women in our society, dress our little girls up like prostitutes, allow them to watch filthy tv programs or video games where women are no more than a piece of meat for consumption I don't see how our daughters are ever going to grow up feeling safe, secure and worthy. They are bombarded with sexual propaganda from birth and pressured at every outlet to dress/behave a certain way. I am shocked and dismayed how some of our children are dressed when I see them get on the busses for school. Until we take responsibility for the children we bring in this world and are willing to make sacrifices for them, I don't see much hope for improvement. | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:223
| | 07/18/2008 2:51 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 07/18/2008 8:58 AM
I manage to do it Kenmore. We are blessed to be able to have my wife be a stay a t home mom. Sure I work a job and run a business. But I know my daughter is going to be raised right by her mother and father and not a daycare. I can't imagine being a parent and not wanting to be near your kids. I understand some peoples situations prevent them from doing so, but if its possible I don't see how they wouldn't want to be home with their children. Well Jhall, we see things in a different way I guess. I feel very lucky that my wife is a working professional and I know that without me, she will be able to take care of herself and our children. My daughters will go to daycare and will also be raised by the values that my wife and I teach them. I can't imagine a woman that does not want to be out of the house and work independently of her husband. We spend plenty of time with our kids and our daycare and other family members make sure that our kids are in good hands during the day. | | | |
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