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drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/03/2008 8:51 PM |
Alert | | Yes, I do HATE Bush. But, it's not because of his religion, name or race. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872


 | | 07/04/2008 10:40 AM |
Alert | Just want to make sure that I know the rules. If you oppose or even hate Bush or McCain, that's just politics. If you oppose Obama, that's bigotry and you are a racist. Way to play the race card and shut down the debate! Just say that anyone who opposes Obama is a racist. I'm sure that we will see a lot of that sort of tactic from the Democrats in the months to come. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 07/04/2008 7:45 PM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 07/04/2008 10:40 AM Just want to make sure that I know the rules. If you oppose or even hate Bush or McCain, that's just politics. If you oppose Obama, that's bigotry and you are a racist. Way to play the race card and shut down the debate! Just say that anyone who opposes Obama is a racist. I'm sure that we will see a lot of that sort of tactic from the Democrats in the months to come.
Yep, that's about right. 
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| | drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/04/2008 11:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 07/04/2008 7:45 PM Posted By hastings1066 on 07/04/2008 10:40 AM Just want to make sure that I know the rules. If you oppose or even hate Bush or McCain, that's just politics. If you oppose Obama, that's bigotry and you are a racist. Way to play the race card and shut down the debate! Just say that anyone who opposes Obama is a racist. I'm sure that we will see a lot of that sort of tactic from the Democrats in the months to come.
Yep, that's about right. 
Yep, you guys thinking I'm playing the race card is a joke. Let's discuss Obama without mentioning his middle name,how people think he looks like a monkey, how people think he is a muslim and how he is going to turn america into east germany. Then and only then will I accept your reasons for not liking Obama... | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 07/05/2008 12:11 AM |
Alert | Yep, you guys thinking I'm playing the race card is a joke. Let's discuss Obama without mentioning his middle name,how people think he looks like a monkey, how people think he is a muslim and how he is going to turn america into east germany. Then and only then will I accept your reasons for not liking Obama... You need to get off your high horse, very few if any voters are actually voting against Obama for the reasons you posted. Most on here do it to get you or others panties in the twist. Most do not like Obama or trust him, because he has absolutely nothing to show for his terms in election. He flip flops constantly, and shows no form of loyalty whats so ever. What did he do for his terms? Sorry but the Dems messed up again, they are attempting the "Not Bush" campaign again and its just not going to fly, I think they had a great chance with Hillary though. I know I would have voted her over McCain. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/05/2008 12:25 AM |
Alert | Posted By JAG on 07/05/2008 12:11 AM Yep, you guys thinking I'm playing the race card is a joke. Let's discuss Obama without mentioning his middle name,how people think he looks like a monkey, how people think he is a muslim and how he is going to turn america into east germany. Then and only then will I accept your reasons for not liking Obama... You need to get off your high horse, very few if any voters are actually voting against Obama for the reasons you posted. Most on here do it to get you or others panties in the twist. Most do not like Obama or trust him, because he has absolutely nothing to show for his terms in election. He flip flops constantly, and shows no form of loyalty whats so ever. What did he do for his terms? Sorry but the Dems messed up again, they are attempting the "Not Bush" campaign again and its just not going to fly, I think they had a great chance with Hillary though. I know I would have voted her over McCain. Hey, take a real good and close look at McCain! He's heading closer and closer to the center WITH Obama. Looks like we will soon be voting for the same person, regardless of the political party you favor. I'm not on a high horse! Why is it that I'm on a high horse, if I have an opinion? | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 07/05/2008 2:36 AM |
Alert | Because it gets old that everytime someone disagrees with Obama that they are a racist. In fact thats one of the reasons why I don't want to vote for him. The differance between McCain and Obama is that McCain has a history, he has experiance, and he has shown his merit. Obama does not have any of that, other then just good speeces and lots of great "ideas". I do not like McCain, but I would rather have someone who I know in office, then a complete stranger. | | | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1017


 | | 07/05/2008 8:53 AM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 07/05/2008 12:25 AM Posted By JAG on 07/05/2008 12:11 AM Yep, you guys thinking I'm playing the race card is a joke. Let's discuss Obama without mentioning his middle name,how people think he looks like a monkey, how people think he is a muslim and how he is going to turn america into east germany. Then and only then will I accept your reasons for not liking Obama... You need to get off your high horse, very few if any voters are actually voting against Obama for the reasons you posted. Most on here do it to get you or others panties in the twist. Most do not like Obama or trust him, because he has absolutely nothing to show for his terms in election. He flip flops constantly, and shows no form of loyalty whats so ever. What did he do for his terms? Sorry but the Dems messed up again, they are attempting the "Not Bush" campaign again and its just not going to fly, I think they had a great chance with Hillary though. I know I would have voted her over McCain. Hey, take a real good and close look at McCain! He's heading closer and closer to the center WITH Obama. Looks like we will soon be voting for the same person, regardless of the political party you favor. I'm not on a high horse! Why is it that I'm on a high horse, if I have an opinion? Come on Drummer, lets be honest about who is moving to the center. I wish I could believe that Obama's current position on major issues in this campaign was his real position, but he has switched positions on so many issues I just can't trust him. Here's what I'm talking about: And Now, For Obama's Next Flip-Flop: IraqBy CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER | Posted Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:30 PM PT "You'll notice Barack Obama is now wearing a flag pin. Again. During the primary campaign, he refused to, explaining that he'd worn one after 9/11 but then stopped because it "became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism." You can read the entire article below and see for yourself who is moving toward the center. It's definitely not McCain www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 07/05/2008 12:04 PM |
Alert | He's heading closer and closer to the center WITH Obama.
Sorry, Obama is anything but on-center for most issues. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1017


 | | 07/05/2008 1:08 PM |
Alert | Jason, You're talking about the old Obama of a couple of months ago. Read the article in my previous post. The new obama is almost a republican in his efforts to be as much like McCain as possible and get as many of McCain's on-the-fence votes as possible. I'm sure he feels the voters he attracted earlier won't abandon him since they know that he really doesn't mean what he is saying now. "Just a politician doing what a politician does" to use the words of his former minister and mentor, Jeremiah Wright! | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 07/05/2008 1:48 PM |
Alert | Good points CR, Not only is he a flip flopper, but he shows total lack of loyality. Look at what he did to Rev Wright, this is a man has been a spiritual leader for 20 yrs to the Obama family and he got dropped like a day old turkey after Thanksgiving. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/05/2008 4:04 PM |
Alert | | Haven't you guys learned? ALL politicians are EVIL in their own ways. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 07/05/2008 8:11 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 07/05/2008 4:04 PM
Haven't you guys learned? ALL politicians are EVIL in their own ways. Yes this is true, but it works out in the end if you know how they are evil, there is no real way of telling how Obama is evil. I really would love to see what he has done during his political career so far though. | | | |
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| | desertgal
Posts:142


 | | 07/06/2008 8:56 AM |
Alert | Just some of what defines Barack Hussein Obama:
He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
Supports affirmative action in colleges and government.
In 2001, he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
Says he will deal with street-level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
Admitted to marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
His religious convictions are very murky.
He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
Opposed the Patriot Act.
First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
Supports universal health-care.
Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform.
Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
Wants to make the minimum wage a "living wage."
Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.
Is opposed to any efforts to privatize Social Security; and, instead, supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
He voted No on repealing the "Death" Tax.
He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded. | | Proud conservatives happily living on our acreage in the beautiful mountains of Hidden Valley with no HOA. | |
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| | *rikimaru*
Posts:469


 | | 07/06/2008 11:58 AM |
Alert | | did grandpa john show his merit during the keating 5 scandal? uh yeah i dont think so. btw obama wants to raise the tax on the wealthy, changing it so that more than 115kish can be taxed for SS versus the cap they have now. hey i am all for it, taxes have a purpose. public programs, defense, infrastructure, education etc etc etc all need to be funded. no one likes taxes, but they are a necessary evil. whats not necessary is a war in iraq that is not winnable | | listened for, they cannot be heard;looked for, they cannot be seen; felt for, they cannot be touched: old ninja proverb | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/06/2008 2:25 PM |
Alert | | Obama sounds like my man! Keep trying desertgal, you suck at it... | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1017


 | | 07/06/2008 2:52 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 07/06/2008 2:25 PM
Obama sounds like my man! Keep trying desertgal, you suck at it...
Don't get too excited, Drummer. Her list of Obama's positions on the issues is a few weeks old. Obama has changed ... just like he said he would! 
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 07/06/2008 4:49 PM |
Alert | | I can't in good conscience vote for either candidate and I won't. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/06/2008 10:55 PM |
Alert | Posted By Cactus Rob on 07/06/2008 2:52 PM Posted By drummer72 on 07/06/2008 2:25 PM
Obama sounds like my man! Keep trying desertgal, you suck at it...
Don't get too excited, Drummer. Her list of Obama's positions on the issues is a few weeks old. Obama has changed ... just like he said he would! 
Dude, even I'm tired of hearing about "change". I just don't want a republican in office at this point. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3535


 | | 07/06/2008 10:57 PM |
Alert | Posted By Serpthia... on 07/06/2008 4:49 PM
I can't in good conscience vote for either candidate and I won't. So, I'd expect you not to complain about any political issues, since you don't care enough to vote. Not voting is a childish thing to do. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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