Granny5X
Posts:361


 | | 06/27/2008 8:16 AM |
Alert | My very first post was an email that I sent to brian.duncan@maricopa-az.gov and I just finished forwarding that same email to anthony.smith@maricopa-az.gov (our Mayor) I will let you all know if I get a response from either of them. I am sure they wouldn't mind hearing from us. They did campaign using the "open door" policy. | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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Cactus Rob
Posts:1036


 | | 06/27/2008 12:24 PM |
Alert | Granny, Many of the eyesores we see around town are still legally owned by the homeowners who abandoned them. Until the foreclosure filings are official, (for obvious reasons some lenders delay doing this) the homeowner of record is legally responsible for the HOA dues and property upkeep. HOAs have learned the hard way that they are just throwing good money after bad when they spend homeowner's money trying to collect dues or maintenance fees from folks who have lost everything and simply don't have any money. As we used to say back in Oklahoma "ya cain't get blood from a turnip, no matter how much money ya spend trying" . Many times our HOAs are doing the rest of us a favor by just writing these off as bad debts, after reasonable collection efforts have been unsuccessful, and asking for volunteers to maintain the property. It is my understanding that some lenders pay the HOA dues and provide upkeep once the property is legally their responsibility, but there are others who make it as difficult and as expensive as possible for the HOAs involved, knowing well that HOAs have been hard hit and simply don't have the money to fight them. | | | |
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TheBoymaker
Posts:787


 | | 06/27/2008 1:14 PM |
Alert | | It's disturbing that they want to raise our property taxes so that they can continue to waste them. All that money and they never improved the Rotary Pool or the playground by the library. | | Poster formerly known as Sassafrass. | |
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Granny5X
Posts:361


 | | 06/27/2008 2:52 PM |
Alert | Cactus Rob, Your post made sense, and thank you for your perspective. I still would like to know if the lenders are the Bonified owners or not, and how did the city go about awarding a landscape company the contract, and for how much. still no reply from them. Iwill wait and see just how open their open door is. Thanks Cactus Rob | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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azcarcarrier
Posts:306

 | | 06/27/2008 3:30 PM |
Alert | File a small claims action by the HOA , record the judgement and wait until the houses sells , at that time a judgement against the property must be paid prior to title change. After you have done a few they are quite simple. | | | |
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Cactus Rob
Posts:1036


 | | 06/27/2008 4:31 PM |
Alert | azcarrier, I'm far from an expert on this or anything else for that matter, but I'm almost sure it doesn't work that way when the property involved isn't worth half of what's owed to the lender, the only secured creditor. | | | |
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desertgal
Posts:142


 | | 06/27/2008 4:38 PM |
Alert | The city should not be paying landscapers to clean up private property - period.
The HOAs now have another easy mark since they seem to be unable to apprehend and collect from those with serious violations. They are sending violations/fines on trumped up charges to numerous homeowners who they know pay their HOA assessments on time and who still live in their houses or are in the area. They have to make up their deficit somehow. Now they're using this underhanded tactic. Beware!
Go, Granny, go! | | Proud conservatives happily living on our acreage in the beautiful mountains of Hidden Valley with no HOA. | |
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mrwonderful
Posts:256

 | | 06/27/2008 5:58 PM |
Alert | Well Cactus Rob tell us why you fall behind in HOA dues and you find a lien notice concerning your parcel number. I just loaned a friend little less than a thousand dollars so they could get the deal done. They just wanted out and the HOA just wanted money. If the city of Maricopa is paying for clean-up of private property I sure hope Mr. Fitzsimmons has a lien on the property, if not, fire him, we already pay his law firm a 250,000.00 a year for what? City Council Persons please get back with citizens and taxpayers concerning this abuse . SOMEONE NEEDS TO HAVE A COUNCIL PERSON PUT THIS CONCERN ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA. | | | |
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JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 06/27/2008 6:05 PM |
Alert | After reading many of the responses to this topic, I walked away with several observations: 1. Have you ever noticed that many of the articles written by 85239 authors leave you questioning many of the city's actions? Why is that? Like this article? Why didn't the author tell us how the city covers the cost associated with cleaning up the yards? Those would be easy facts to find out. Why didn't they ask the city if the costs are recooped from homeowners at one point or another? I think we should put more pressure on all Maricopa media to give us full stories. That's what they are educated to do, aren't they? Ask the tougher questions. In particular, I think 85239 does it on purpose to get all reader's panties in a wad. I think they need the readership for marketing their advertising population. Why not put more pressure on the authors for more detail. Don't be satisfied with the mediocre stuff you are reading. 2. Another observation, most posters were ready to attack the city, assuming their taxes were being spent the wrong way. It took Granny many attacks before she finally decided to simply write an email to some people at the city. Why not start there first? Leave all the attacks out of the picture. 3. Most posters wanted to rip on the city and not give kudoos to the volunteers who had pride in their communities that they helped the city clean it up at no cost.
I'd bet my home that the city has done the right thing on this one. That they have followed policy, that they will recoop the cost at some point, and that the residents should be proud of what they did.
I'm not always in agreement with the city's decisions, but I think people are far to ready to attack before they have all the facts!
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JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 06/27/2008 6:15 PM |
Alert | I just noticed something else. You've got to check the facts of the person who started the thread. The way Granny writes, the city paid to clean up 60 properties. When in fact, volunteers did most of the work on most of the properties. Only the worst were cleaned up with the professional landscapers.
I think you ought to be thanking the city for getting the job done, cause the HOAs sure can't seem to get it done.
As I said above, I'll bet the city did this the right way, and did not cost the city money, and Marty McDonald should be given kudoos for getting it done.
If that proves to be the case, Granny, please send Marty and Duncan a friendly email letting them know how much you appreciate their efforts. | | | |
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mrwonderful
Posts:256

 | | 06/27/2008 8:34 PM |
Alert | Joeman I read the thread and have reasoned that the city was cleaning up the most needed lots. Any additional lots a volunteer group was taking care of. However I have noticed many, many vacant lots unattended by the developers. Maybe the city should get on the horn and get some action concerning the tumble weed issue. If they want to play you gotta pay, so says the fat lady. Again those lots that were cleaned and labor paid for by the Care group should have a lien filed, so not to go unnoticed. You are 200% correct about Granny 5000X. Dementia status sometimes takes over. | | | |
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twostep23
Posts:1688


 | | 06/28/2008 6:17 AM |
Alert | The only cost that the city has expended on this matter is the cost of mailing out a letter to the homeowner of record either it being a bank or an individual. ALL services to complete the clean up are strictly volunteers and YES that includes any landscapers that are involved. ACE Hardware has donated all the necessary tools to assist the volunteers that are helping to clean up the homes. Before throwing out accusations one much first research. And just because the answers don't appear on a forum that doesn't have the traffic that it enjoyed previously doesn't mean that city officials are avoiding or refusing to answer. Let's use some common sense if that is possible. I for one thank each and every volunteer that is involved with this project and that includes Brian Duncan and Marty McDonald. You won't find two more individuals that care more about their communities. If you get involved with your local HOA these questions could have and would have been answered a long time ago.  | | Senior Member Posts: 4625 Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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do the jake
Posts:63


 | | 06/28/2008 7:15 AM |
Alert | "The worst homes, however, including one on Windmill Drive and four others, needs a tad more TLC than most. Duncan said the city has hired professionals to clean up those messes, so neighboring homeowners – some of whom are willing to – won’t have to pitch in." the way i read the article 23 homes to be cleaned up
18 homes in the villages being done by copa cares volunteers
that would leave 5 the ones "that need more tlc" being paid by the city. including the one on windmill duh? | | My soul has been psychedelicsized | |
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Granny5X
Posts:361


 | | 06/28/2008 4:06 PM |
Alert | To all of you that think I have not done my homework, or that I should be Thanking Duncan, Smith and McDonald, I do not think I was out of line. I read the article OVER AND OVER and I feel my questions deserve to be answered. The only follow up post that I even came close to finding reasonable was Cactus Rob. Yes, I am happy for the volunteers, and for ACE HARDWARE (of whom I will still go to even after Home Depot opens) for their donations. I still want to know the cost, and how the contract was awarded, and I will not stop until I get answers. I worked today and just got home, and I gotta say: I will stay on this until I get the answers. For all of you out there that are critisizing me, go for it. I can handle it. I will call Monday and put myself out there with our city officials. I am a registered votor and I want answers. Those of you that find me out of line, FINE! Don't read this thread anymore. I am going to post my findings for those that do care. | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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drummer72
Posts:3610


 | | 06/28/2008 7:58 PM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 06/27/2008 6:06 AM How much it costs each taxpayer is not the point. Typical liberal SPEND SPEND SPEND. It's MY POINT, so someone answer me. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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JasonY
Posts:2581


 | | 06/30/2008 10:20 AM |
Alert | | I think if the bank owns the foreclosed house, they should be fined if the yards look like crap. If a person owns the home, fine them until it is cleaned up. Use the money from the fines to build parks or other nice things for the community. | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 06/30/2008 11:15 AM |
Alert | I called Duncan, from the city this morning, I wanted to know why he had not responded to Granny's email. He indicated that Granny received an email response from the mayor last week.
Then she posts over the weekend, on this thread, acting like she had not received any response from the city, and was going to make her way to city hall today to get some answers. Why is she doing that? | | | |
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JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 06/30/2008 11:18 AM |
Alert | btw, the answer is, if the city has to pay for landscapers to clean up the propery, then the city does place a lien on the property no matter who owns it.
See... all this hoopla for nothing.
If only 85239.com would give us a complete story. | | | |
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sysadmin
Posts:127


 | | 06/30/2008 2:31 PM |
Alert | | Don't expect any HOA to solve the problems of weeds any where. If there is no money to be made then the HOA does not want to do any thing about it. I was told by my HOA that they cannot go on to some ones property and have the weeds removed even though it states just that in the CCR's. The real problem there is the HOA has to out lay cash and then try to get it back from the owner of the property. HOA's are just a money pit. You pay them and they give you nothing in return. | | | |
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Cactus Rob
Posts:1036


 | | 06/30/2008 3:59 PM |
Alert | JoeMan, We both know that filing a lien on property doesn't guarantee payment of a debt! In fact, spending additional money to file liens is just throwing good money after bad in many instances. | | | |
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