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kenmoreguy72User is Offline

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05/28/2008 7:01 PM Alert 

By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent Wed May 28, 5:16 PM ET

WASHINGTON - In a White House full of Bush loyalists, none was more loyal than Scott McClellan, the bland press secretary who spread the company line for all the government to follow each day. His word, it turns out, was worthless, his confessional memoir a glimpse into Washington's world of spin and even outright deception.

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Instead of effective government, Americans were subjected to a "permanent campaign" that was "all about manipulating sources of public opinion to the president's advantage," McClellan writes in a book stunning for its harsh criticism of Bush. "Presidential initiatives from health care programs to foreign invasions are regularly devised, named, timed and launched with one eye (or both eyes) on the electoral calendar."

The spokesman's book is called "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception."

Governing via endless campaigning is not a new phenomenon, but it accelerated markedly during the tumultuous Clinton White House and then the war-shaken years of the Bush administration. Bush strategist Karl Rove had a strong hand in both politics and governing as overseer of key offices, including not only openly political affairs and long-range strategic planning but as liaison for intergovernmental affairs, focusing on state and local officials.

Bush's presidency "wandered and remained so far off course by excessively embracing the permanent campaign and its tactics," McClellan writes. He says Bush relied on an aggressive "political propaganda campaign" instead of the truth to sell the Iraq war.

That's about right, says Brookings Institution political analyst Thomas Mann, co-author of a book entitled "The Permanent Campaign."

"It was such a hyped-up effort to frame the problem and the choices in a way that really didn't do justice to the complexity of the arguments, the intelligence," Mann said in an interview. Though all presidents try to "control the message," he said, "it was really a way of preventing that discussion. It just had enormously harmful consequences. I think they carried it to a level not heretofore seen."

Each day, underscoring the daily blend of politics and government, Bush and his administration make an extraordinary effort to control information and make sure the White House message is spread across the government and beyond. The line for officials to follow is set at early-morning senior staff meetings at the White House, then transmitted in e-mails, conference calls, faxes and meetings. The loop extends to Capitol Hill where lawmakers get the administration talking points. So do friendly interest groups and others.

The aim is to get them all to say the same thing, unwavering from the administration line. Other administrations have tried to do the same thing, but none has been as disciplined as the Bush White House.

It starts at the top.

McClellan recounts how Bush, as governor of Texas, spelled out his approach about the press at their very first meeting in 1998. He said Bush "mentioned some of his expectations for his spokespeople — the importance of staying on message; the need to talk about what you're for, rather than what you are against; how he liked to make the big news on his own time frame and terms without his spokespeople getting out in front of him, and, finally, making sure that public statements were coordinated internally so that everyone is always on the same page and there are few surprises."

In September 2002, Bush's chief economic adviser, Larry Lindsey, ran afoul of the president's rules by saying the cost of a possible war with Iraq could be somewhere between $100 billion and $200 billion. Bush was irritated and made sure that Lindsey was told his comments were unacceptable. "Lindsey had violated the first rule of the disciplined, on-message Bush White House: don't make news unless you're authorized to do so," McClellan wrote.

Within four months, Lindsey was gone, resigning as part of a reshaping of Bush's economic team.

While message control has been part of many administrations, Mann said that, "They were just tougher and more disciplined about it than anyone else had been."

As spokesman, McClellan ardently defended Bush's decision to invade Iraq and the conduct of his presidency over the course of nearly 300 briefings in two years and 10 months. Now, two years after leaving the White House and eager to make money on his book, McClellan concludes Bush turned away from candor and honesty and misled the country about the reasons for going to war.

It wasn't about Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction, McClellan writes. It was Bush's fervor to transform the Middle East through the spread of democracy. "The Iraq war was not necessary," writes McClellan, who never hinted at any doubts or questioned his talking points when he was press secretary.

McClellan writes that Bush and his team sold the Iraq war by means of a "political propaganda campaign" in which contradictory evidence was ignored or discarded, caveats or qualifications to arguments were downplayed or dropped and "a dubious al-Qaida connection to Iraq was played up.

"We were more focused on creating a sense of gravity and urgency about the threat from Saddam Hussein than governing on the basis of the truths of the situation," McClellan wrote.

McClellan is not the first presidential spokesman to write a tell-all book, but his is certainly the harshest, at least in recent memory. He says his words as press secretary were sincere but he has come to realize that "some of them were badly misguided. ... I've tried to come to grips with some of the truths that life inside the White House bubble obscured."

White House colleagues were stunned, but not lacking for the day's response. "We are puzzled. It is sad. This is not the Scott we knew," said Dana Perino, the current press secretary who was first hired by McClellan as a deputy.

Later in the day, she relayed the reaction of Bush himself: "He's puzzled, he doesn't recognize this as the Scott McClellan that he hired and confided in and worked with for so many years."

kenmoreguy72User is Offline

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05/28/2008 7:04 PM Alert 
What??

I thought by now that some right winged whacko would've smeared McClellan by now. I guess I'll check back in 10 minutes.
Cactus RobUser is Online

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05/28/2008 8:52 PM Alert 

Let me be the first.    At first, I wondered why anyone that unhappy with his boss would stick around long enough for the boss to fire him.  Trust me, if it had been me, I would have resigned in protest after the first unethical deal. 

That just shows how dumb (or honest) I am, doesn't it!  I wouldn't have had anything to write a book about! 

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05/28/2008 10:31 PM Alert 
Ding-Ding-Ding!!!!

Cactus Rob---Come On Down!!!!! (BTW---Does anyone else hate Drew Carey in that part? Or just hate Drew Carey?)

*Shoot the messenger.
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05/29/2008 10:16 AM Alert 
Didn't he work in the White House for like 6 years before being fired? That pretty much tells the whole story right there.

As for Drew Carey- I like him, but he sucks at the Price is Right.

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05/29/2008 11:01 AM Alert 
Drew Carey is not as funny as people think. His show was terrible. I like According to Jim a whole lot more... As for Bush he is in politics what can you expect? Lies..Lies... and more Lies.

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton
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05/29/2008 1:26 PM Alert 
Of course politicians lie. But I think it is clear now what many had said. After 9/11, Bush was determined to find a link to Iraq. He sent our fine men and women into a war that was not neccessary, but that he wanted.

As for Drew Carey, did anyone hear him on Stern a couple months back? He had quite the battle with depression a while back. He had a failed suicide attempt. Anyway, still hate the new TPIR.
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05/29/2008 3:05 PM Alert 

Here's another point of view, which I believe is supported by facts:

www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx

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05/29/2008 3:54 PM Alert 
Good artical. Seems to be more facts based as well. Thanks Rob

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~Lord Acton
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05/29/2008 6:14 PM Alert 

Posted By Reagan on 05/29/2008 10:16 AM
Didn't he work in the White House for like 6 years before being fired? That pretty much tells the whole story right there.

He was fired for covering up the whole Karl Rove fiasco. He was just looking out for the president and participating in the cronyism that the Bush administration has been pretty blatant about. He is one of many who took the bullet for Bush failures. He is coming out telling the truth now. How many people have to talk about Bush's lies and the fact that Cheney was the guy plotting schemes before you believe it? Oh yea I agree Drew Carey does not carry the Price is Right, it is damn hard to replace Bob Barker.

 

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05/30/2008 12:29 AM Alert 
And yet anther winner!!!

What is so hard to comprehend? Bush "distorted the truth" from the start. There is no denying this. McClellan is the closest to the Pres to speak out.
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05/30/2008 7:56 AM Alert 
Oh please. His publisher needs a market to sell Bush books to.

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05/30/2008 10:24 AM Alert 
Have some of you forgotten Bill Clinton doing the same thing to us that he did with anyone that would smile back? Smoke that "cigar" for a while....

My oh my, how soon the public forgets.....and we won't even get into extravagant budgets from his administration that were wasting more money tha Bush ever has.

It's all facts and a record of history......if you can.....read it!!

OOOPs.....

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05/30/2008 11:51 AM Alert 
What does Bill Clinton have to do with Bush and his cronies knowingly distorting facts to go into Iraq? It has been said bfore...even by Rove, people aren't worth keeping arounf if they aren't "loyal Bushies"

Wasting more money than Bush? Wow, some people reallt have followed the spin. First, if you are going to throw out a comment like that, define wasting. Secondly, through the Bush administration, the feds have spent 5 x's more than they did under Clinton. I won't get into an economics discussion. I know as much as John McCain when it comes to that...LOL

I suggest you go back and read history.

Isn't there some was the righties can blame this on Obama?
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05/30/2008 1:36 PM Alert 
Posted By corman on 05/30/2008 10:24 AM
Have some of you forgotten Bill Clinton doing the same thing to us that he did with anyone that would smile back? Smoke that "cigar" for a while....

My oh my, how soon the public forgets.....and we won't even get into extravagant budgets from his administration that were wasting more money tha Bush ever has.

It's all facts and a record of history......if you can.....read it!!

OOOPs.....

Keep drinking the koolaid over there...

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05/30/2008 4:49 PM Alert 
Posted By caveman on 05/30/2008 1:36 PM
Posted By corman on 05/30/2008 10:24 AM
Have some of you forgotten Bill Clinton doing the same thing to us that he did with anyone that would smile back? Smoke that "cigar" for a while....

My oh my, how soon the public forgets.....and we won't even get into extravagant budgets from his administration that were wasting more money tha Bush ever has.

It's all facts and a record of history......if you can.....read it!!

OOOPs.....

Keep drinking the koolaid over there...

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What in the world will you guys have to talk about when Bush is out of office? Fac ut vivas!
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05/30/2008 6:02 PM Alert 
I agree with the article that was posted. Ari Fleischer was a great press secretary. McClellan was pretty bad. It amazed me he lasted that long. I remember one of his first press confrences, he couldn't stop sweating, and fumbled more word than Bush, which is pretty amazing.

Its funny how you all keep on the "Bush Lied" train. If you remember history, the Clinton's, and next to every person in Congress was saying the exact same things about Iraq before we invaded. The Clinton's were saying the same things before they even left office.

Where is the Clinton's lied train?

Oh right, Democrat mistake is ok, Republicans are just bad and evil.

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05/30/2008 6:12 PM Alert 
All I can say....."It worked".....

For someone so "political knowing".....you should learn how to spell...."koolaid"...ha ha, you have to be kidding.......simple minds....simple words.....

Some of you guys provide so much entertainment with your poor spelling, know-it-all attitude, and wanting to argue with anyone that does not agree with your warped sense of thinking....

As I said......"it worked".......thanks for the laughs.....!!!

Carry on........."next subject"...
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05/30/2008 9:07 PM Alert 
Corman--
Is that what you do? When your "facts" are questioned, you get personal and change the topic? If you can't tell the difference between typos and spelling words wring, I can't help you. I simply pointed out the mistakes in your post and you choose to get personal??? Hmmmm.
Once again, I ask you...show me where Clinton spent more money than Bush. I can show you the opposite. Show me where Bush did not distort the facts about Iraq. I can show you where he did.
As far as I know...
We went to Iraq for their connection to Bin Laden....wrong.
Second...we went to Iraq for their WMD's. that were a threat to the US...wrong.
We went to Iraq because they didn't comply w/ UN regulation....something we don't do.
We went to Iraq to liberatr the people from a tyrant...let them begin the revolution.
So, which one did it end up being...I forget?
You are the one that began debating the original point. Now you make fun of hastings for his Kool Aid comment? Get real. Go teach an English class if you are so concerned.

Reagan--
This discussion is about Bush, not Clinton. That is like the kid in class that gets caught for doing something and tries to take everyone down with him. I submit that McClellan stumbled over his words becuase he had to protect someone that was out of touch with reality. That is a difficult thing to do. Sounded worse than Bush? C'mon. You and I can agree that is a stretch.

Clinton, Democrats, Republicans, etc aside, this administration has been deceitful (on purpose)and refused to admit to any wrong-doing. Make up your mind....don't look at new evidence, don't consider admitting you made a mistke, be close-minded. Who was the guy that was fired because he said publicallt that the was would cost over 100 billion?
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05/31/2008 9:52 AM Alert 

Everyone is calling Scott McCellan a spineless "turncoat" and worse.  They say he just published the book to make money.

Maybe, and maybe not.  The one thing I do know is that his book is everything I ever thought about Bush and his administration.  It did not tell me anything new - it just reaffirmed what I already thought about Bush, his cronies and his administration.  As far as comparing his lies and manipulations to Clinton's there is a distinct difference.  Bush's doings have done great HARM to our country fiscally, internationally and environmentally.  History will judge him as one of the worst Presidents of all time.

 


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