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CleanuptheCopaUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 8:18 AM Alert 
Kelly
First question: Was the city staffer that sent this alleged degrading email fired?

Second question: So the city could not read a contract and understand that they might have to notify someone if there is a delay?

Third question: Why didnt we hear about people losing their jobs over a screw up like this?

Fourth question: If a small school project like this created such a mess for the city, what makes you think for a second that the city has the capacity to handle building an airport where state and federal agencies are involved? I got bad news for the city....when building an airport, there WILL be a few contracts that they have to read and understand and follow.

CleanuptheCopaUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 8:34 AM Alert 
Also, When I say "pick up your packet right before a meeting" I dont mean on the way to the meeting, I mean the same day of the meeting. Our city clerk has said that while most councilmembers pick up their packets early, you pick yours up the day of the meeting almost always. The packets are prepared earlier to give the members time to read them, research the information to be discussed so an informed decision can be made, and hopefully solicit some public input. In other words...To be prepared so that screw ups such as say.....The MA Maricopa project comes along, the city doesnt make stupid mistakes!!

So my question is this: If you work a full time job, like it appears you do, and you dont get your packet until the day of the meeting, when are you preparing? When are you talking to the public about any issues? When are you asking questions and researching? Because you ask very few questions AT the meetings.

And, if you are picking up your packet before the day of the meeting, then Ms Bueras must be being untruthful, is this what you are indicating?
DesertDwellerUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 10:05 AM Alert 

Relative to the council packet, I will take you on your word. This is something that’s been brought up by multiple posters. At least you got a chance to set the record straight.

It was not my intention to offend you. I always try to make an effort to see that what I post deals with issues and not personalities. I think that the worst thing that can happen to a community is that people stop caring about government and accept whatever they’re told without question. Political leaders should be able to withstand criticism, both warranted and not and both criticism and rebuttal should always be directed to the issue and not the person. Many of us get the feeling that the City government does not respond well to criticism and responds by being defensive or even vindictive.

Many of the things that are questioned now deal with a perception by the people that the city government doesn’t communicate with them, doesn’t listen, acts without regard for public input or concern. There are conflicts of interest and deals that, on the surface, appear to be self-serving.

It is critical that city government work to erase this perception of impropriety. Perception has a way of becoming reality in the mind of the spectator and the perception of a corrupt or incompetent government will act as much to deter development as a lack of shovel-ready development sites.

On MA Maricopa: It could be said that relative to the September 2007 opening, the city was only required to “make its best efforts” which, of course it did. I am sure that this language was carefully put into the agreement because there are two parties to a contract. The city did its part and, in fact, went way beyond what was required, and MA Maricopa did not.

I don’t believe that MA Maricopa had a case. MA Maricopa failed to perform, not the city. The city NEVER was obligated to make sure they opened in August of 2007 – nobody in their right mind would ever be a party to such an agreement on the part of the City. There was a provision to “work with the developer” but no guarantees of a project timeline. Again, MA Maricopa failed, not the city.

A degrading e-mail? I don’t know what was in it, but usually those sorts of things are handled with an apology, not a two million dollar payoff.

Nevertheless, I think most people who are not privy to all of the information that you and city staff are have a big question: Why not litigate? Even if the City’s chances to prevail weren’t absolutely 100%, at least let the facts come out and be reviewed in a judicial setting before giving away two million dollars of the taxpayer’s money. Of course there is staff time and legal cost, but it certainly seems to beat just throwing in the towel right off the bat. Even if the City were to lose in court, they are insured for this type of thing, right? And, of course, there is always the chance that the City would prevail. This is what I mean about the perception of impropriety.

On her blog, I believe Kathy Hall accurately summed it up in saying, “In my opinion, either the Council has been bamboozled into thinking that there is a legitimate legal claim here or there is some financial reason, undisclosed to the public, that MA Maricopa should be subsidized. The claim itself reads like a letter from a scorned lover, with an abundance of highly-charged words that overly dramatized the situation. But they won without a foray into court; something that had been predicted by a high-level City official before the claim was made. Hmm...”.

So, my question is, why did the council vote to give MA Maricopa all the improvements, zoning, and purchase easements on land that wasn't even a part of that Development Agreement they claim was violated?

Do you believe that by voting for this settlement, the Council effectively took away the "rights" of the surrounding property owners and the general public who didn't get a say in the zoning change via the public input process?


Stupid should hurt!

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CleanuptheCopaUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 12:22 PM Alert 
I agree with you 110% DD. I am not trying to attack Kelly's personality. I have spoken with him and his personality is not in question. I found him a pleasant person to talk to. My point is simply being prepared to vote on the issues. Picking up their packet and reading through it the same day as the meeting without the time to pursue questions and input seems irresponsible and certainly not a good representative of our citizens.
Cactus RobUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 2:54 PM Alert 

Kelly, 

On your website you state “Alternate routes to the Valley would require approval from the Gila River Indian Community and that would take decades and dollars we don’t have”.  

And in a response to a poster in this thread, you state “With Ak-Chin Casino to the south, Gila River is not going to allow better transportation to a competitor. That is why we need to increase our efforts in Economic Development and ease the stress on our only route to I-10". 

Don't you think that you're putting the cart before the horse?  Don't you  think Economic Development will increase, not decrease, traffic on the 347?  Won't many of the employees of firms that locate here never live here, choosing instead to keep their homes in Chandler and other valley cities and commute to their jobs here?  And won't the new businesses need dependable roadways to get timely delivery of products, supplies, equipment, raw materials, etc.?  And likewise, won't they need to deliver their products and/or services to their out of town customers without the inevitable delays that occur when there is only one way in and out of town?

Have we met with ADOT and the Gila River Indian Community and discussed whether there is any way that Smith-Enke can be extended to I-10?  And if so, can Maricopa taxpayers accelerate the project by paying part of the cost?

Thanks in advance.

 

Kelly HaddadUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:17 PM Alert 
Cactus Rob,

I have to disagree...if I am re-elected, you will continue to see changes as you have recently with the hiring of Kevin Evans and I am excited to be a part of the great things to come.


Thanks

KH
Kelly HaddadUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:26 PM Alert 
Cactus Rob,

Thank you very much for your continued dialogue and professionalism on this forum. You are a prime example of why I entered the it.


Thanks

KH
Kelly HaddadUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:29 PM Alert 
LadyAmalthea,

I am sorry you feel that way, my intent is not to be negative, I am just trying to be realistic and not make a bunch of promises to get your vote that I can't fulfill.


Thank You

KH
Go EaglesUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:32 PM Alert 
KH, I got to give u some props. At least you are engaging now. You still do not have my vote but you are not cowardly out like your peer Dunn seems to be. He doesn't even have a banner on this site. Maybe he has finally come to the realize that he to will not be elected.
Kelly HaddadUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:35 PM Alert 
Cactus Rob,

I can see where the story in the East Valley Tribune may look like the GRIC is trying to help; however it is a little hard to believe when as many will remember during the construction on 347, they sent a memo to the city stating that they would ticket any non tribe member if we use their roads as alternate routes for no reason other than they could.

Thanks

KH
Jim_GreenUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:39 PM Alert 
Kelly,
I give you kudos for just putting up with the disrespect and ignorant comments posted on your thread. Even if people don't agree with you, it can be done with a little class, something that is missing in many comments.
Jim_GreenUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:42 PM Alert 
Kelly, I think the city needs a FAQ page on transportation or maybe all issues. So many of the questions above, especially related to transportation have been answered and spoken to a million times.

If the city had a FAQ page, you could simply point the people to that web page.
Jim_GreenUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:49 PM Alert 
DD, do you pay attention to P&Z meetings? The zoning issue related to MA Maricopa is on the agenda for this evening.

I think enough information is available to understand the MA Maricopa issue. It has been stated enough times that there were some comments made that would probably lose the suit if it went forward. Don't you think the lawyers have the best interest in mind? They are professionals, much better at making the determination of what we can win and what we can't.

Also, the questions on 'was someone fired' because of this mistake? I would bet that AMY wasn't fire because of this mistake, but had it come around while she was still employeed she may have.

I also think that Kathy Hall's blog is ridiculous. I've read nothing on her blog that even sparks an interest. She's trying to stay relavent and it doesn't work for me. I find it hard to understand why anyone is paying attention to her blog.

Jim_GreenUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 6:59 PM Alert 
Posted By chessman on 04/25/2008 10:43 PM

What issues did you weigh in your decisions about the airport, and if it is that big an issue, why is it that the Mayor was the only councilman at the last public meeting?  I totally agree.  I am shocked that more councilmembers are not at these public meetings.  I would EXPECT them to be there.  It is a perfect opportunity to gain public comments!

What is your position on the process by which the corridors are selected, and why aren't you at the public meetings to listen to the citizens as they give feedback to the presenters?   I totally agree.  I am shocked that more councilmembers are not at these public meetings.  I would EXPECT them to be there.  It is a perfect opportunity to gain public comments!

What is the goal of the transit bus program? To reduce the vehicles on the road? To reduce emissions? To reduce commute time? To gain credits for environmental impact? Why did you vote for it? How does it meet that goal? How is the success of this venture measured? When will the project be analyzed to understand if it meets that goal, or was unsuccessful? If it doesn't meet the goals (or if no goals or expectations were set) then what is the next step, and how do we get there? All of this information has been stated in numerous publications.  Why are you opposed to trying new offerings in Maricopa?  I think that if we don't try new things we will never move forward.

 

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04/28/2008 7:09 PM Alert 

Posted By gilbertglcn on 04/28/2008 8:17 AM
Mr. Haddad, here are my suggestions concerning the lack of transportation in and out of Maricopa that you asked for;

1. The citizens need to vote in a council that will listen to us, and not vote to give out millions to developers.  I don't agree with this statement.  I think the city did the right thing regarding the MA Maricopa issue.
2. The citizens need to vote in a council that will work with Gila River and Ak Chin on regional solutions and not be dumb enough to think if we are an island we can sustain our commmunity (which is what you are saying with economic development).  I believe that many people, both within the city employees and council, are working with both tribes.  Working with tribes is a very sensitive issue.  Anyone who thinks this issue is not being addressed is not paying attention.
3. Fire all consultants that the city currently has concerning economic development. They are pusing an agenda that is not for controlled, workable growth, but for a community of 100,000 people. A hospital should be a higher priority than an small airport, since the only thing a small airport would help as this point is a select few. (Few if any employers could use a small airport, as you still would have to go to Phoenix for everything but a smaller commuter jet.)  It's not rocket science, yet people keep repeating it.  Haddad told you, a hospital has to want to come to Maricopa.  It is in a completely different category than an airport.  If you went to the 'Meet the Candidate' forum, you heard one of the council candidates (I think it was Marvin Brown, but not postive), say they went to every business in Maricopa.  Most all business owners wanted the airport approved.  The city has to start now, to have an airport in 8-10 years.  If Marvin found that most all our businesses wanted the airport to pass, why would a resident not want it passed?  If the businesses want it, they will come.


4. Get city staff who know what they are doing. Either as a council you allowed incompetent staff to disregard the law and now hoave to pay out to MA Maricopa, or the council used their positions of power and did not allow the project to go through as the law allows. You cannot pay out both major players involved and expect us to believe you.
5. Clean the Slate in '08. Why did you waste all of your previous time on the council and support positions that are not in our best interest, and now, you still do not respond to our questions? If you are too busy at work to respond to this forum, then you are too busy at work to be a council representative, as this is the time and effort a council member should put in, day in and day out for our city. If you cannot find the time to do that, then I cannot find the time to vote for you.



Sorry, for all the comments, it's just that I sometimes wonder if people are really taking the time to get all the facts.  So often, the same topic is covered over and over.

Jim_GreenUser is Offline

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04/28/2008 7:21 PM Alert 
Kelly, I would like to know why you approved the parking contract for the Maricopa Express? I find that unforgiveable! There are many land owners who would have benefitted from such a contract with the city, yet the city simply hands it over to the Mayor's family. I'm amazed that Farrell said something, but didn't fight it and I'm amazed any of the current council didn't reject the contract. This was a situation where a councilmember took full advantage of something the city had to offer.

And, please don't tell me that Mr. Anderson didn't ask for it. He accepted it, without giving anyone else the chance, and that's all I needed to know.
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04/28/2008 9:49 PM Alert 
Welcome to the forum Jim_Green. Whether we agree or not, it's healthy to have opinions challenged.

I question the transit project, not because I don't see the value, but because I am skeptical of the cost. For years I have driven behind nearly empty city busses in the Phoenix area. That program is mismanaged and increases pollution, road congestion, and taxpayer burden. An empty bus doesn't do anybody any good. I suspect that after the novelty of the transit bus subsides, we will see nearly empty busses to and from Maricopa. I could be wrong, and I hope I am. All I ask is for the politicians who approve new things put in a clause evaluating the success of each. Just let us know that once an item is approved it doesn't mean that nobody is paying attention to it any longer.

No law or resolution has ever been passed without a good intention and a genuine issue to be addressed ( I hope). What I'm tired of is useless laws and such that don't do much to correct the perceived problem, and yet they stay on the books forever. All new ordinances should start with a clearly defined goal:

We need a public transit system because........

We know we have a need because we measured the problem in this way............

We propose this solution because we considered..................

We will evaluate the effectiveness of the change when....................

We will continue or discontinue the service if it meets the goals that were set........

This is the type of thinking and communication that this council hasn't produced. It all starts with a clear definition of the problem or the goal, and that includes a statement about who will benefit from the solution. If the solution doesn't benefit many, then it should be questioned by everybody.

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04/28/2008 11:06 PM Alert 
Can you get a QT at the corners of Honeycutt and Porter?

OBAMA NATION!
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04/28/2008 11:20 PM Alert 
What I want to get an honest answer to is, did you pay for a year contract amount for the banner ad, or because you are on the council you got a month or two special? Answer this and I will know what kind of polotician you intend to be. You can pm me the answer if you want and I'll leave it answer unknown.
Kelly HaddadUser is Offline

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04/29/2008 9:22 AM Alert 
clenaupthecopa


First question: Was the city staffer that sent this alleged degrading email fired?
No. City staff is hired under a merit system and this particular employees file including the email did not merit termination.

Second question: So the city could not read a contract and understand that they might have to notify someone if there is a delay?
Do to prior agreements, I am not at liberty to discuss this.

Third question: Why didnt we hear about people losing their jobs over a screw up like this?
Refer to question #1

Fourth question: If a small school project like this created such a mess for the city, what makes you think for a second that the city has the capacity to handle building an airport where state and federal agencies are involved? I got bad news for the city....when building an airport, there WILL be a few contracts that they have to read and understand and follow.
I am 100% confident that our staff and council have the knowledge to handle any contracts and agreements.

Thank you for you comments

KH
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