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Bionicbunny
Posts:594


 | | 04/02/2008 3:34 PM |
Alert | “Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," Obama said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby." Are these the words of a great leader? | | | |
| | Reagan
Posts:737


 | | 04/02/2008 3:54 PM |
Alert | I find it odd that he compares having a baby and getting an STD on the same page. Easy solution to not getting an STD, don't have sex. Then its pretty tough to be "punished" with a baby.
| | Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:737


 | | 04/02/2008 3:55 PM |
Alert | | Oh yeah, and attention Mr. Obama, an abortion isn't going to fix an STD. What a stupid statement. | | Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:204

 | | 04/02/2008 4:32 PM |
Alert | I know Sean Hannity is fair and balanced and always tells the truth, but Obama never mentioned abortion. He is saying he wouldn't want his daughters to get pregnant if they made a choice to have unprotected sex at a young age. Never did he mention he would recommend an abortion for them. A horrible choice of words saying "punished with a baby", but I forgot, only Obama and Clinton say stupid things. Bush and McCain have made just as many (if not more) stupid statements.
The transcript in whole............. MARY SNOW (CNN correspondent): Welcome back to CNN's edition of Ballot Bowl. This is a chance for you to hear directly from the candidates. I'm Mary Snow in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where Senator Barack Obama is holding a town hall meeting right now, taking questions from the audience. Let's go straight to Senator Barack Obama; he just was asked a question about how his administration, if he's elected, would deal with the issue of HIV and AIDS and also sexually transmitted diseases with young girls. Here's Senator Barack Obama.
OBAMA: -- or we give them really expensive surgery and we don't spend money on the front end keeping people healthy in the first place. So, when it comes to -- when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence only -- should include abstinence education and teaching that children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.
You know, so, it doesn't make sense to not give them information. You still want to teach them the morals and the values to make good decisions. That will be important, number one. Then we're still going to have to provide better treatment for those who do have -- who do contract HIV/AIDS, because it's no longer a death sentence, if, in fact, you get the proper cocktails. It's expensive. That's why we want to prevent as much as possible.
But we should also provide better treatment. And we should focus on those sectors where it's prevalent and we've got to get over the stigma because understand that the fastest growth in HIV/AIDS is in heterosexuals, not gays. And so, we've got to get out of that stigma that we still have around it. It's connected also to drug use. So, one of the things we have to do is to start thinking about better substance abuse treatment programs around drugs and not just treat it as a criminal justice issue. Treat it as a public health issue as well.
So -- but this all is connected to the idea of prevention and so my health care plan says, you know what? I don't want kids in the emergency room for treatable illnesses like asthma. I want them to get a primary care doctor and have regular check-ups and, you know, if we decreased obesity rates back to the rates that existed back in 1980, we would save the Medicare system a trillion dollars -- one trillion dollars because that's what's accounting for huge spikes in heart disease and diabetes and all kinds of preventable illnesses.
So we've got to put emphasis on that. Let me say one last thing, though. I'm going to use the presidential bully pulpit to start talking about people taking responsibility. We were talking about education earlier. It doesn't matter how good the job the schools are doing, if parents, you don't turn off your TV sets and put away your video games and make your kids do your homework and meet with the teachers, it won't make any difference. And the same is true on health care. I mean, some of us just have bad luck, and -- or genetically, are predisposed to certain diseases.
But, you know, if we're not all making some effort to get exercise and, you know, eat properly and not smoke and, you know, and I know -- I've had my own little battles. You know, I used to sneak a few cigarettes once in a while. My wife cut me off at the pass. She announced on 60 Minutes, she said, you know, "Yeah, he used to smoke once in a while, and he promised me. So if you catch him, anybody out there" -- but that was good. I think we all have to take some responsibility for these issues as well. That's going to be important. All right, I've got time for one more question.
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| | Reagan
Posts:737


 | | 04/02/2008 5:59 PM |
Alert | Posted By kenmoreguy72 on 04/02/2008 4:32 PM
but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.
What exactly do you think that he meant by this statement. That if they had sex at 16 the government would punish them by making them adopt a baby? I don't think so. He was talked about abortion and you know it.
| | Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | downfall
Posts:133


 | | 04/02/2008 8:25 PM |
Alert | | only someone with the sick and twisted mind of a leftard liberal would think a child is a punishment. So, at what point do democrats wake up and realize that Barry is fascist farrakhan, jackson, sharpton and cornel west rolled up into a neat little Anti-American package? | | "The price for conducting foreign policy on the basis of abstract principles is the impossibility of distinguishing among individual cases" | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1078


 | | 04/02/2008 9:18 PM |
Alert | | Having a kid at 16 is a punishment. Your life is basically ruined. How many successful people have you met that had a kid at 16? How many of these people work real jobs now? People that young having kids is punishment on the rest of the tax payers that pay to raise these kids. | | | |
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| | downfall
Posts:133


 | | 04/03/2008 5:45 AM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 04/02/2008 9:18 PM
Having a kid at 16 is a punishment. Your life is basically ruined. How many successful people have you met that had a kid at 16? How many of these people work real jobs now? People that young having kids is punishment on the rest of the tax payers that pay to raise these kids.
>>your argument pre-supposes that the mother would have been successful without having the child at 16. Unfortunately, with the piss poor public education system you can't assume that.
| | "The price for conducting foreign policy on the basis of abstract principles is the impossibility of distinguishing among individual cases" | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 04/03/2008 6:20 AM |
Alert | Posted By downfall on 04/03/2008 5:45 AM Posted By caveman on 04/02/2008 9:18 PM
Having a kid at 16 is a punishment. Your life is basically ruined. How many successful people have you met that had a kid at 16? How many of these people work real jobs now? People that young having kids is punishment on the rest of the tax payers that pay to raise these kids.
>>your argument pre-supposes that the mother would have been successful without having the child at 16. Unfortunately, with the piss poor public education system you can't assume that.
There's plenty of baren couples out there that would pay big money to have a kid of their own. 2 birds, 1 stone. | | | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:486

 | | 04/03/2008 8:24 AM |
Alert | I'm going to go ahead and say, I AM NOT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: but people need to get a grip. The man WAS talking about abortion - what else was he talking about - oh yeah, sex education rest of the quote: When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information. (sorry if that is a repeat from the transcript posted - I didn't read it ) We ALL know (or at least we should, because we are intelligent people) he was not talking about the babies themselves being the punishment, but the work involved with being a parent! When you are not ready to be a parent, it would be the most difficult thing in the world. If he had been talking about adoption, not a single solitary one of you would say he was inappropriate in his comments - unless he was saying to force adoption. . . I do not support abortion, I do not support Obama, but people are taking this to extremes - he is not a baby hater, he is simply saying he doesn't want his children to have to suffer through parenthood becuase they made a mistake. The HOLE in what he said - is adoption is ALWAYS an option and abortions being illegal would not change that! | | | |
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| | missPolitick
Posts:644


 | | 04/03/2008 9:01 AM |
Alert | | ...and I don't want my kids to sit through sex education classes that their school is forced to give because liberals think it should be part of curriculum. I don't even want to think about what kind of crude, immature crap will be discussed by 6th graders. Yes, I understand that some kids may not be educated at home by their parents about sex, but that doesn't justify FORCING my child to have a class about sex AT SCHOOL. They can attend an after school program to discuss all the sex they want. He is correct about teaching abstinence. Period. That is all my child ever needs to hear at school regarding sex. | | Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:486

 | | 04/03/2008 10:35 AM |
Alert | Parents can still opt out of the sex education can't they? I don't want my kids educated by the school either. The times that I ended up in 'classes' concerning the proper way to 'protect' yourself my mom always sat me BACK down and reminded me the ONLY way to truly protect yourself. . .
It IS the parent's job, and too many parents are willing to give their parental rights - or just simply LEAVE the parenting to the schools. SEX is generally based on a religious stance, and it should be left that way.
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| | missPolitick
Posts:644


 | | 04/03/2008 10:38 AM |
Alert | word. | | Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046


 | | 04/03/2008 10:49 AM |
Alert | Posted By Reagan on 04/02/2008 3:54 PM
I find it odd that he compares having a baby and getting an STD on the same page. Easy solution to not getting an STD, don't have sex. Then its pretty tough to be "punished" with a baby.
Yeah ..right. try teaching that to today's teens. Sex to them is so "unattached" in today's age with all of the UNattached Text Messaging and "hooking up" that is going on. what ever happen to teaching teen women that they should treat their bodies like gold. That guys only want one thing from them. That going out with a boy doesn't mean that you have to go to 2nd base right away. That no matter how you slice it.... oral sex is still grounds to be called "slut". For me, it seems that, if you can educate the girls, you can STOP the boys. The ultimate power to have sex lies in the womans hands. Remember... No means NO. (This is just my thoughts. I am only going on how I use to be as a teen boy...Mothers should have feared me, but I always made the mothers love me. That was how I would break down the first line of defense. I did fear the fathers...for some reason I always felt that they could see right through me.) | | Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem. ______________________________________ *************************************** San Diego Super Chargers! GO!!! Joined old forum March 2006 Post count: 3068 + these | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1078


 | | 04/03/2008 11:03 AM |
Alert | Posted By missPolitick on 04/03/2008 9:01 AM
...and I don't want my kids to sit through sex education classes that their school is forced to give because liberals think it should be part of curriculum. I don't even want to think about what kind of crude, immature crap will be discussed by 6th graders. Yes, I understand that some kids may not be educated at home by their parents about sex, but that doesn't justify FORCING my child to have a class about sex AT SCHOOL. They can attend an after school program to discuss all the sex they want. He is correct about teaching abstinence. Period. That is all my child ever needs to hear at school regarding sex.
My kids don't need to learn science at school they can learn all they want about science at home. Forcing my child to learn about DARWINISM and have a class about evolution AT SCHOOL! They can attend an after school program to learn about it while I teach them about creationism at home. The only thing my child needs to hear at school is that the lord created man, not that man evolved from monkeys. <--- Rediculous yes, but this is how your argument sounds. Schools should be realistic about things and teach reality not keep kids in a bubble of abstinance. I am sure your kids learn a whole lot more about sex from their friends than any of their teachers. | | | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:486

 | | 04/03/2008 11:57 AM |
Alert | what ever happen to teaching teen women that they should treat their bodies like gold. That guys only want one thing from them. That going out with a boy doesn't mean that you have to go to 2nd base right away. That no matter how you slice it.... oral sex is still grounds to be called "slut". For me, it seems that, if you can educate the girls, you can STOP the boys. The ultimate power to have sex lies in the womans hands. Remember... No means NO. So this is why it is bad that a girl gets pregnant, but the boy get the 'high-five'? Because the GIRL didn't decide to treat her body like gold. Talk about a double standard! While the boys are wired to THINK about sex, it is still their responsiblity to reign-in their own desires. Last I knew it, guys still had SOME brain! This isn't a one-sided action. It is a duel-sided action. The boys can just as easily decide to only date upstanding girls and 'keep it in their pants' as easily as a girl can decide to only date guys that will respect her and not 'give in' to the pressure. Believe or not, girls generally struggle with the idea that they won't be loved if they don't give into the guys to some degree. They are looking for love and attention. Deciding to not give into those feelings is just as difficult for a girl as the decision to not have sex is for the boy. Let's face it, the girls get the harder treatment because if they get pregnant it SHOWS and everyone knows, but the boys walk through life and don't really have to hardly own up, or they are busy getting the high-five, for making the 'goal'. Let's not turn this responsiblity completely over to the girls. It is BOTH genders responsiblities. The girls should not be given more responsiblity because the boys 'only want one thing'. The girls should have responsiblity to dress appropriately, stand up for abstinance, and realizing boys only want one thing. . . boys should be responsible for deciding to stand for abstinance, showing respect for girls, and realizing just because you want something, doesn't mean you should have it! | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 04/03/2008 1:09 PM |
Alert | Kids today are going to have sex. There is no 'talk' you can have with them that will stop that. The only thing you can do, is to educate your kids to be safe. The girls that get pregnant are the ones who don't know the options they have, other than pulling out and crossing their fingers. | | | |
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| | Mommybrittany
Posts:250

 | | 04/03/2008 1:12 PM |
Alert | AMEN to that love@hm! It takes two to tango!
And I feel the old saying stand true "... if you think your old enough to commit the act, your old enough to take responsibility and deal with the consequences..."
How is having a child a "punishment?" - just imagine his girls hearing that and asking if they were a punishment for a mistake daddy did?!
I got pregnant at a young age, and I am successful. There are two types of people in this world... Someone who learns from previous actions and grows from experiences, and someone who doesn't. It is our duty as parents to teach our kids about responsibility. Simple as that. | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 04/03/2008 1:16 PM |
Alert | A buddy of mine loves dating a woman with a kid or two. He always says 'you know they put-out'. | | | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:486

 | | 04/03/2008 1:33 PM |
Alert | If you teach your kids correct principles, it is amazing the things they can do! Kids who are taught abstinance at home are not all out having sex. Those children who are brought up in homes where morals aren't just talked about but lived can actually go w/o sex - even up to marriage. I can name many people who have done it this way and had successful marriages - my husband and myself included, and I can name many YOUNGER people who have also accomplished it.
These parents aren't all teaching protection - they are teaching abstinence. It DOES work, and while my kids will know about protection, the focus in our home is abstinence, and protection is more in the form of, "It's out there" It won't be in the form of "Use it" because MY children will/are learning not to do the action outside of marriage. | | | |
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