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drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 03/19/2008 11:44 PM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 03/19/2008 7:09 PM As to why gas prices are higher. conspiracy theories about the gov and oil cos may be satisfying, but cold hard facts are more enlightening. Economics 101, the law of supply and demand. When the supply of a commodity goes down, is stagnant, or rises slowly, and the demand for that commodity goes up dramatically, then the price will go up. If you have 1,000 widgets,and people want to buy 500, you can't charge a very high price. If demand for widgets goes to 2,000, you can dramatically raise your prices. In recent years other nations have started to industrialize to a much greater degree. as a result they demand more of the limited supply of oil. As 1.1 billion Indians and 1.3 billion Chinese start to turn in their bicycles for cars, the demand for oil will greatly increase ,as will the price. A reduction in demand (by a world wide economic slowdown) could lower the price as could an increase in production ( which is why OPEC keeps control of members production). We are at the mercy of foreign oil producers, among them some who do not like us and have no desire to do us a good deed. In the short term we need to increase domestic production. Various groups are doing all they can to prevent that from happening. In the long term we need to get away from dependence on oil.
I don't think the demand has gone up so high,that the price of gas has to be increasing at such a rapid rate? Thoughts?
I guess it is all about domestic production.... | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:995


 | | 03/20/2008 6:33 PM |
Alert | Go to the web - type in China's oil demand. You will find sites that Will show a dramatic increase. Do the same for India, same result. Prices may come down in the short term, because of the slow-down of the US economy which will cause the world economy to stall and thus use less oil. This will lower demand and the old law of supply and demand will kick in, lowering prices. Look for OPEC to cut production of oil to keep prices as high as they can. Remember, the price of gas is tied to the price of oil, and we do not control oil prices. We import much of our oil and must pay the going rate. | | | |
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| | Jet Dr
Posts:20

 | | 03/20/2008 6:54 PM |
Alert | | The cost of oil is up just over 100% against the Euro, in the same time frame oil is up over 220% against the dollar. The devaluation of the dollar is a huge factor in the cost of oil. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:995


 | | 03/20/2008 7:04 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jet Dr on 03/20/2008 6:54 PM
The cost of oil is up just over 100% against the Euro, in the same time frame oil is up over 220% against the dollar. The devaluation of the dollar is a huge factor in the cost of oil.
Good point! One more factor to consider, also not under the control of the big bad oil cos. | | | |
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| | HiggsBoson
Posts:641


 | | 03/20/2008 7:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jet Dr on 03/20/2008 6:54 PM
The cost of oil is up just over 100% against the Euro, in the same time frame oil is up over 220% against the dollar. The devaluation of the dollar is a huge factor in the cost of oil.
And that brings up back to the Fed pumping money and cheap credit into the economy, devaluing our money.
Thanks, Higgs | | Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts. -- Ludwig Von Mises | |
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| | HiggsBoson
Posts:641


 | | 03/20/2008 8:00 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 03/19/2008 1:56 PM
The record profit from defense contractors would not have occurred without a war. Yet all of those dollars come from the tax payer and are not actual consumer generated funds... So if thats what you mean... On the economy again....you also have to take into account to cost of the attacks on the entire worlds financial systems based in the world trade centers. http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/aug02/homeland.asp
Which is in the hundreds of billions of dollars range.... O and lets not forget our nations largest and most expensive natural disaster Katrina....
But hey... Bush sucks blah blah blah right?
In hindsight of what our country has gone through these past few years.... I would consider us in a fairly decent position.... all in all it could be worse... Hillary could become president... Bush sucking has nothing to do with whether wars stimulate economic growth or not. This has nothing to do with politics, it’s a question of economics. But hey if it make you feel better to write off my opinion and lump me in with our resident left wing Bush haters be my guest. I do agree, Hillbama as President would be worse than Bush. Thanks, Higgs | | Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts. -- Ludwig Von Mises | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789


 | | 03/21/2008 2:53 AM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 03/20/2008 7:04 PM Posted By Jet Dr on 03/20/2008 6:54 PM
The cost of oil is up just over 100% against the Euro, in the same time frame oil is up over 220% against the dollar. The devaluation of the dollar is a huge factor in the cost of oil.
Good point! One more factor to consider, also not under the control of the big bad oil cos. A very good point made by Jet Dr, and I think the Fed has finally taken notice that this is an issue which it needs to be dealing with. Heretofore, the Federal Reserve had been quite content with letting the dollar slide. Evidently they felt that a sinking dollar, which would make goods manufactured hear cheaper for purchase by folks abroad, could help spur a sliding economy back into a position of net growth. While in the short term it did help with exports, the counterbalance was the rise of oil prices which effectively negated any gains here at home. With energy costs soaring, companies here were forced to make cuts elsewhere...so they weren't gaining anything at all. I think what we are beginning to see now is a nascent "strong Dollar" policy by the Fed. Statements made recently were to the effect that rate cuts would be coming to a close, and that more of a priority would be placed on propping up the Dollar...which, if succesful, will counter some of the rise of crude oil. When the Fed cut rates the other day, they did so by a far smaller margin than had been envisioned by most experts, which lends more credence to this belief. In addition, short-term speculative gains on crude oil seem to have peaked...with more investors realizing that a slowdown both in the US and in some nations abroad has slackened demand for oil, or at least slowed its advance considerably. We're going to have to watch for the next few months to see whether this trend continues...but at least in the near-term, I'd be surprised if oil hit $120 per barrel as was predicted during the frenzy over the last few weeks. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1335


 | | 03/21/2008 7:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By HiggsBoson on 03/20/2008 8:00 PM Posted By jhall on 03/19/2008 1:56 PM
The record profit from defense contractors would not have occurred without a war. Yet all of those dollars come from the tax payer and are not actual consumer generated funds... So if thats what you mean... On the economy again....you also have to take into account to cost of the attacks on the entire worlds financial systems based in the world trade centers. http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/aug02/homeland.asp
Which is in the hundreds of billions of dollars range.... O and lets not forget our nations largest and most expensive natural disaster Katrina....
But hey... Bush sucks blah blah blah right?
In hindsight of what our country has gone through these past few years.... I would consider us in a fairly decent position.... all in all it could be worse... Hillary could become president... Bush sucking has nothing to do with whether wars stimulate economic growth or not. This has nothing to do with politics, it’s a question of economics. But hey if it make you feel better to write off my opinion and lump me in with our resident left wing Bush haters be my guest. I do agree, Hillbama as President would be worse than Bush. Thanks, Higgs The whole Bush part wasnt directed at you Higgs... I know where you stand.. It was primarily directed at the folks to dumb to read and would rather believe that one person aka bush can be the cause of every issue... | | All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --Edmund Burke | |
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