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Subject: Don't cry the next time American POW's are tortured
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alanfUser is Offline

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03/10/2008 10:34 AM Alert 
Hmmmm...what would Jack Bauer do??? Hmmm....
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03/10/2008 11:06 AM Alert 
Posted By hastings1066 on 03/09/2008 11:48 PM

Imagine this scenario. An atomic bomb is set to explode in Phoenix in one hour. It will kill millions.You have the man who planted it,he refuses to give you any information. Your move, the clock is ticking. what are you going to do? You now have 59 minutes. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. 58 minutes. Do something, millions will die! 57 minutes left.

If he or she is a terrorist they probably will not give you the right answer either way.  Let's say they tell you it's under a bridge in NY.  60 minutes later...Kaboom.  It was in LA.  The torturing stopped and the interrogation resulted in well...nothing.  It surprises me that so many of you out there are sheeplishly believing all the crap the government churns out.

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03/10/2008 11:09 AM Alert 
Posted By JasonY on 03/10/2008 10:31 AM
Posted By missPolitick on 03/10/2008 10:26 AM
If terrorists WEREN'T cowards they would torture THEMSELVES to gain even more riches in the afterlife. I mean anyone could blow themselves up. It's quick and painless. Wusses.



But they have been indoctrinated since they were little kids to do this kind of stuff.......

 

 

I know, I know, I was just making fun of them.


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03/10/2008 12:40 PM Alert 
Posted By hastings1066 on 03/09/2008 11:48 PM

Imagine this scenario. An atomic bomb is set to explode in Phoenix in one hour. It will kill millions.You have the man who planted it,he refuses to give you any information. Your move, the clock is ticking. what are you going to do? You now have 59 minutes. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. 58 minutes. Do something, millions will die! 57 minutes left.

 

This is basically the same scenario Justice Scalia used recently to justify torture and suggest there was nothing in the constitution against it. Actually he was a little more ambiguous, but the same basic idea.  I’m going to side with the others and say you are living in a “24” fantasy world where Jack Bauer beats the bomb location out of the bad guy just in time to save us all. Obviously the terrorists who are willing to die for their cause are not going to revel the location of the bomb just because you torture them.

 

The real danger is not what terrorists will do if the US condones and uses torture, the danger is other nations deciding torture is ok because the US does it. This could put our soldiers at risk as well as our allies. It’s also hard to take the moral high road with the rest of the world if we are going to use the same tactics the evil enemy does. Didn’t the US consider waterboarding a war crime in WWII? Oh ya, we live in different times now, I forgot.

 

There is a lot of information out there, even from government sources, that indicate torture is not an effective technique to get reliable information. I know the Bush administration has said these techniques have lead to useful info, but how do we know that they could not have got that info without torture?

 

Back to the original question, if I was in a room with the “bad guy” tied up, I guess I would beat the crap out of him trying to get the info, but at this point I will admit it has nothing to do with logic and reason, it’s all animal instinct. So please US government, if you are going to torture people, can you please keep it secret, and not try to justify it as somehow being morally acceptable, just deny that you do it.

 

Thanks,

Higgs


Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises
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03/10/2008 1:34 PM Alert 
There are many more proven ways to acheive information than torture which by the way usually results in false information due to the fact that the human body can only take so much and will start admitting to things they have never had a hand in. I.E. Hanoi and false information charges, as well as the signing of beaten and withered men claiming to be war criminals because they were beaten to incoherence at the time of the affidavit signing, just ask McCain.
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03/11/2008 12:37 PM Alert 
I say we do interrogations of politicans at Lamp's bunker.....

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03/11/2008 1:15 PM Alert 
Exactly, Im building a special dental chamber just for that purpose.
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03/11/2008 1:46 PM Alert 
I like the torture method presented to Daniel Craig on Casino Royale.

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03/11/2008 4:09 PM Alert 
Posted By LampLiteSniper on 03/11/2008 1:15 PM
Exactly, Im building a special dental chamber just for that purpose.

 

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03/11/2008 4:32 PM Alert 
People will tell you anything to keep all the teeth in their mouth.
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03/11/2008 6:37 PM Alert 
"Does it hurt?"

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03/15/2008 1:59 PM Alert 

There are no Terrorists in the USA, and has never been.....

Ooops Im sorry yes there are it is called the GOVERNMENT

They are the real Terrorists, they are getting us as Americans so mad that we are going to go out and start Taking out those Corrupt Politicians....but of course then we are called the Terrorists...

There is no War on Terror....there is War on the American People and War on the Constitution, as they want to rip it apart for the NEW WORLD ORDER and the Communist Manifesto

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