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Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 3:27 PM |
Alert | Oh I remember being a teenager and it is by the grace of God I am sitting here having this ludicrous debate...HOWEVER like Magnum I didnt stick my nose into others people trouble... I didnt go home and bring a "weapon" (I've heard an ax and I heard a knife) to some drunk guys house!! and I most certainly didnt sneak out just to roam the streets on a school night. The one time I snuck out I was busted RED handed then I was red from the belt welts and on restriction!
I am so sick and tired of parents getting off because their kids are punks. Not just in this incident but in the recent events. Here is an idea MAYBE if parents were held accountable for their wonderful parenting skills and it hit their pocket books then they would know where Jr and Jr-ett is!! I would bet these are the same parents that didnt buckle up lil Johnny in his car seat. WAKE up people you are raising a bunch of disrespectful cretins!!! They dont value LIFE not theirs and not YOURS!!!
Like I said in another post...I do feel bad for these parents of the injured...I would imagine that they feel regret and guilt but if memory serves me correctly they will cry VICTIM (like so many do) and in the end WE will all have to pay... | | | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1065


 | | 05/14/2008 4:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By mallardisme on 05/12/2008 6:56 AM
Well, there you have it. We have all seen the writing on the walls and many have chosen to igore it. many have dumped it on the parents by saying, "it's the parents' fault".
Be that as it may, it is also our fault by not looking at the writing on the wall and allowing this type of stuff to get to this level.
What's next, Maricopa? Do we have to keep looking the other way untill we are truly gang plagued? Do we keep saying that it is the parent's fault? Or do we start to knock this crap out, as neighbors and citizens, before it gets really bad......
Who wants to deal with gangs and violence when there are so many speeders to pull over...... | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/14/2008 8:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/14/2008 3:27 PM
Oh I remember being a teenager and it is by the grace of God I am sitting here having this ludicrous debate...HOWEVER like Magnum I didnt stick my nose into others people trouble... I didnt go home and bring a "weapon" (I've heard an ax and I heard a knife) to some drunk guys house!! and I most certainly didnt sneak out just to roam the streets on a school night. The one time I snuck out I was busted RED handed then I was red from the belt welts and on restriction!
I am so sick and tired of parents getting off because their kids are punks. Not just in this incident but in the recent events. Here is an idea MAYBE if parents were held accountable for their wonderful parenting skills and it hit their pocket books then they would know where Jr and Jr-ett is!! I would bet these are the same parents that didnt buckle up lil Johnny in his car seat. WAKE up people you are raising a bunch of disrespectful cretins!!! They dont value LIFE not theirs and not YOURS!!!
Like I said in another post...I do feel bad for these parents of the injured...I would imagine that they feel regret and guilt but if memory serves me correctly they will cry VICTIM (like so many do) and in the end WE will all have to pay... Wow, people here like to judge, don't they? I can't wait til your teenager screws up or makes a bad decision one day...are you gonna say it's all the parents' fault then? For your information, sometimes parents do all they can, and their kid still makes bad choices. My parents have 3 kids, and let's just say that you would never know I am related to my brother and sister...I never snuck out, didn't drink until college, and graduated cum laude. My older brother and younger sister both started drinking or doing pot and sneaking out when they were 13. My parents tried yelling at them, grounding them, spanking them, eveyrthing, but they still got into a lot of trouble. My parents cared a lot; when either sibling did sneak out, my parents were up all night calling people, looking for them, etc. They yelled at them every night to do their homework. When my brother got caught with pot at 17, he had to go to an anti-drug class...on the lunch break in the elevator he and another kid got high. Wow, that really worked, lol. I say all this to point out that you can be the best parent in the world for one kid, but your other kid may seem like they hate you. My parents treated all of us the same, yet I am the only "good kid" as they said. I think how a teen behaves is a product of both DNA and environment. Yes, some of these kids' parents do not care or are not aware of their behavior, but don't you dare judge every single parent of a misguided teen; chances are, their parents have tried everything and will never give up. THAT is a truly great parent, not someone who thinks their teen is just perfect and loves to sit on a forum and judge other parents. | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/14/2008 8:09 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/14/2008 9:17 AM Kim How old are you? Do you have any children? I think you need to grow up a bit more and realize THAT IS IS A PARENTS JOB TO RAISE UPSTANDING CITIZENS!! That said...the parents of these teens did not know their "babies" were out at 3 am on a school night? So YES I blame the parents...I am starting to question YOUR parents and how they are "teaching" YOU! You claim to have class and brains I have yet to see either! It is perfectly clear that these parents did not TEACH these kids in the formative years how to behave and good from bad! So I stand by my "Where are the parents" question. I take parenting very serious and I honestly believe that there are those who dont! They dont even consider that raising a child is a FULL time job and that it is NEVER ENDING! I know plenty of people who never even considered the finacial aspect of raising children-let alone the emotional expense. SO until you become a parent (and I hope to goddness it isnt anytime soon!) You will see that HOW your child acts in public and in the presence of elders & WHAT your child says and does IS a reflection on YOU! Further more I find it ironic that a teen is defending these parents...young lady I hate to break it to you but if you are not over 18 then YOU are a KID as far as I am concerned and ya know the rule about kids...they should be SEEN not HEARD until spoken to and then it should be with the utmost respect! THEY should also be in bed in their house at 3 am so IF I was the judge in this case I would be arresting the parents of these minors for CHILD ABUSE! So go to your room...your grounded! And if I were the Grammar and Spelling Police, you would be arrested.  | | | |
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| | Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 8:29 PM |
Alert | asugrl- Its funny you should bring up my teenage daughter-as I believe you know who she is! Also I have discussed this thread with her and she believes the parents have alot of explaining to do! (in regards to their kids being out at that time of the morning) When my teenager has screwed up she takes responsibility for it...IF she screwed up in the sense that it involved the physical harm to another human then yes I would blame myself! I would wonder WHAT I didnt teach her to think that what she did was OK! If my teenager found herself pregnant I would blame myself for not giving her the tools to avoid this situation! I do and will take the responsibility of her actions until she is and adult. Even then I may still blame myself for some of her actions if they are life destructing.
So again I ask ARE YOU A PARENT? If not then I really dont see HOW you can comment on a PARENTING issue. Its like me saying I know how to be a doctor cus I worked with one...I still wouldnt try to preform surgery on someone! | | | |
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| | Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 8:34 PM |
Alert | Posted By asugrl on 05/14/2008 8:09 PM And if I were the Grammar and Spelling Police, you would be arrested.  I always find that people who play the "Grammar and Spelling Police" card dont have that strong of an "argument" ...They need to take lil stabs to feel like their college education and student loans arent a waste...IMO | | | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:589


 | | 05/14/2008 8:38 PM |
Alert | Actually, I have found that when my child does something to get into trouble or that is not nice to someone else I DO blame myself. My wife does as well. That is part of being a parent. I think this is a little off track, though, as many of my earlier posts don't take the blame off the parents. They do, however look to the community and to the neighbors to step up when they need to. For example.... If my son was walking home from school and threw a rock that hit a car, if someone saw that I NEED to hear about it. He would be punished, of course, but those extra eyes need to be there as well. When people see that and turn away and blame the parents, they have a valid point, but they also become part of the problem. | | Let X=X | |
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| | Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 9:54 PM |
Alert | mallardisme...trust me if I saw your kid (or any kid) throwing a rock you would know it!! lol
I do believe it takes a village also but if there is no foundation then there is a serious issue. The unfortunate thing here is there was not a whole bunch of people up at the earlier hour...had it happened at 10 then I think things would have turned out a bit differently... | | | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:589


 | | 05/14/2008 10:44 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/14/2008 9:54 PM
mallardisme...trust me if I saw your kid (or any kid) throwing a rock you would know it!! lol
I do believe it takes a village also but if there is no foundation then there is a serious issue. The unfortunate thing here is there was not a whole bunch of people up at the earlier hour...had it happened at 10 then I think things would have turned out a bit differently...
I agree, but, darnit, People saw this beforehand. I don't think people need to be up at 3am. Look at some of the quotes from neighbors:
“I sat and watched from the window upstairs, being the nosey neighbor,” she said.
Another neighbor, Monica Cantu, said she wasn’t at all surprised to see police parked down the street, because they have been called to the residence numerous times. “They always have problems with the boys who stay there,” she said. “I know the cops have been there.” “I don’t get too much involved in what’s going on,” This is the stuff that needs to be fixed. When one sees criminal activity, it must be reported and dealt with. WE have to create our neighborhoods. WE have to keep crime from starting. All of the signs have been there for a long time before this happened. Of course it is very difficult with 36 hours of silence from our agencies. Personally, I signed up for the grafitti removal service and met the same thing the news agencies did... No call back. So, I tend to shoot pictures, send them in and clean it up myself. I don't want to be in an area that allows that to happen. | | Let X=X | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/14/2008 11:09 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/14/2008 8:29 PM
asugrl- Its funny you should bring up my teenage daughter-as I believe you know who she is! Also I have discussed this thread with her and she believes the parents have alot of explaining to do! (in regards to their kids being out at that time of the morning) When my teenager has screwed up she takes responsibility for it...IF she screwed up in the sense that it involved the physical harm to another human then yes I would blame myself! I would wonder WHAT I didnt teach her to think that what she did was OK! If my teenager found herself pregnant I would blame myself for not giving her the tools to avoid this situation! I do and will take the responsibility of her actions until she is and adult. Even then I may still blame myself for some of her actions if they are life destructing.
So again I ask ARE YOU A PARENT? If not then I really dont see HOW you can comment on a PARENTING issue. Its like me saying I know how to be a doctor cus I worked with one...I still wouldnt try to preform surgery on someone! As far as I know, I don't know your daughter, unless I am not aware of it. And I know that most parents will blame THEMSELVES for when their kid messes up. But that doesn't make it right for another person to sit and judge them when they have no idea what that parent has gone through, and how hard they have worked to raise them right. You were suggesting that the parents don't care or didn't try hard enough--I am saying from experience that that is not always true. I do not have to be a parent to know that I would blame myself if my kid messed up--I do take responsiblity for my actions, as well as those under my care. However, like I said, that fact would give you no right to assume that I didn't care or try. How would you feel if your kid did something wrong, and you blamed yourself, and then came on a message board full of people saying "That kids' parents ought to be shot! Were they on the ground with needles in their arms while their ragamuffin kid ran rampant around town?" when really you were out looking for your kid who snuck out? I don't think it would really help matters, and I am sure you would be angry that they assumed you don't care. I don't even know if these kids' parents' actually do care; they could be drug dealers for all I know, but maybe I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, because nearly every parent I know does care about their kids' whereabouts. | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/14/2008 11:13 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/14/2008 8:34 PM Posted By asugrl on 05/14/2008 8:09 PM And if I were the Grammar and Spelling Police, you would be arrested.  "I always find that people who play the "Grammar and Spelling Police" card dont have that strong of an "argument" ...They need to take lil stabs to feel like their college education and student loans arent a waste...IMO " Well, good thing that is just your opinion. Luckily, my honors degree speaks for itself, and I already posted my argument. However, I do know that I am a bit harsh on people as far as spelling goes; I am a writer, and a grammar nazi as well.  | | | |
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| | Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 11:27 PM |
Alert | Could you please tell me WHERE I said "That kids' parents ought to be shot! Were they on the ground with needles in their arms while their ragamuffin kid ran rampant around town?" ? I believe I said WHERE are the parents? I would LOVE for those boys parents to come on here...it could clear up a lot of questions so many people have. I am also sorry to inform you that their are those parents that dont care...they are too wrapped up in their own drama to give a rats putooty about the kids...I remember when I was young and thought the world was all roses and puppy dogs BUT after attending a foster/adopt program I saw THOSE parents that did not care for their children (whether it was due to drug/alcohol, life style choices or just the lack of mental capacity to care) SO if my "judging" those children's parents offends you then that is good...it may stir you to see how to become a solution to our growing problem (not just here in Maricopa-but in society) and to raise your future children knowing that there are those of US that do "judge" or assume...Maybe parents need a HIGHER standard to guide them in raising their children...
Quite frankly I am tired of giving people the benefit of the doubt...call it "Being jaded" or old! I am tired of hearing the excuses as to WHY they are not PARENTING their kids. OH and I was a single parent for a time and no it is not easy...my daughter does well in school, has never been arrested, had detention or been suspended. She is a much better kid than I ever was and there isnt a day that goes by that I dont thank GOD for that!!! | | | |
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| | Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 11:29 PM |
Alert | When I am in the HEAT of typing all grammer goes out the window.... And good for you going to college and getting a degree... ... USE it and make your parents proud!!! | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/14/2008 11:41 PM |
Alert | I am not just referring to you; maybe I should clarify that. Your post was just conveniently on this page so I quoted it. But there are people who have jumped to conclusions and assumed the parents didn't care, acting like if you don't know where your kid is one night at 3 am you are a terrible parent.
Again, my brother snuck out and my parents didn't even know until hours later, because they were sleeping and didn't think their kid would sneak out the window. I am sure there are plenty of well-meaning but naive parents out there. I always thought it was funny how in high school, people would meet me and say my parents were great parents because they raised me right, yet when they met my brother (and didn't know we were related) they would say the opposite. That's when I realized that sometimes, it is out of the parents' hands, but they should never stop trying. I am sure the "bad kids" that do survive their teenage years will thank their parents for that care when they are older (like my brother did).
I am sure there are parents out there who do not care and who are horrible parents, but maybe I am not jaded enough when I say I don't think that's the majority. Like I said, it's entirely possible that these kids' parents ARE druggies or were too busy watching Ricki Lake reruns to give a darn. But if they aren't, then I do feel sorry for them, because it would really suck to have a kid that doesn't listen no matter what you do. Or maybe I just feel bad for my parents, lol. | | | |
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| | Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/14/2008 11:48 PM |
Alert | You are ahead of the game...what works for one does not always work for all!! If more parents understood that then things could be a whole lot easier for them! It does seem in this case that there was a problem PRE machete...
I guess my daughters misfortune is I suffer from insomnia and roam the halls of our house at all hours of the night...no chance for her to sneak out!!! | | | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/14/2008 11:58 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/14/2008 11:48 PM You are ahead of the game...what works for one does not always work for all!! If more parents understood that then things could be a whole lot easier for them! It does seem in this case that there was a problem PRE machete...
I guess my daughters misfortune is I suffer from insomnia and roam the halls of our house at all hours of the night...no chance for her to sneak out!!! Lol, my mom caught on years after my siblings started sneaking out. Even when I was in college and moved back home at 19, she waited til I got home to go to bed. I would be at a friend's house til 5 am sometimes and she would call me to ask where I was. I always told her, but she refused to go to bed til I opened the door. My friends always thought that was weird that she was still up, lol. If only she had done that when my brother was 13.  | | | |
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| | Robert B
Posts:852


 | | 05/15/2008 2:52 AM |
Alert | I am a writer, and a grammar nazi as well.  Now we have NAZI'S In Maricopa. I can't believe it. | | | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:973


 | | 05/15/2008 7:37 AM |
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| Apparently Robert, we have dyslexic wanna-be Nazi's. See the image in the someone tagged by car thread. | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:571

 | | 05/15/2008 11:57 AM |
Alert | Posted By Robert B on 05/15/2008 2:52 AM I am a writer, and a grammar nazi as well.  Now we have NAZI'S In Maricopa. I can't believe it. Lol, we are becoming a real city, "diversity" (I guess) and all.  | | | |
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| | flattysgirl
Posts:46


 | | 05/15/2008 5:32 PM |
Alert | | I think Michelle Piefer said it well: "everyone has a choice. it may not be a choice you like."These kids are out all hours of the day and night because all parents do anymore is give them money or tell them to go play their video games. By the way that is where they probably learned to be so violent. take your kids somewhere and do something with them. This happened becaues of bad parenting. This is NOT the communitys fault. you can't expect the community to be responseable for every ones kids. can you? | | | |
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