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azsouthendzone
Posts:528
 | | 05/13/2008 1:02 PM |
 Alert | Posted By Azcowgrl on 05/13/2008 12:44 PM People, you are no better than the people that commited this supposed crime Crime happens whether there are street lights or not, that is factual and proven Comapring people discussing a possible murder on a forum to the actual murderer is rediculous. Last time I checked the police won't be issuing warrants for discussing this on a forum. And yes, i can safely say that i am "better" than a murderer. Please post a link to the factual and proven evidence that states that street lights have zero effect on crime. I would love to read that report. And to say, "Parents need to know their kids" is a copout. Guess what? I know my kids. It isn't my job to be a parent to these scumbags. What do you want......do you want the members of 85239.com to throw a expo so we can all share cookies and milk with gang members so we can discuss alternatives to being in a gang? Get real. | | | |
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| | AzSandSlinger
Posts:587
| | 05/13/2008 1:19 PM |
Alert | Please post a link to the factual and proven evidence that states that street lights have zero effect on crime. I would love to read that report.
http://www.asv.org.au/odlighting/node4.html
Some excerpts:
"In particular, while there is no statistically significant evidence that street lighting impacts the level of crime, especially if crime displacement is taken into account, there is a strong indication that increased lighting - perhaps lighting uniformity - decreases the fear of crime.''
that was from The National Institute of Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice of the US Department of Justice Study done in 1977...
20 Years later, another full study was done.. some excerpts:
"Not much has changed since Tien and his colleagues (1979) [] gave their critical assessment of the impact of lighting on crime.''
"We may speculate that lighting is effective in some places, ineffective in others, and counter productive in still other circumstances.''
"Consider lighting at outside ATM machines, for example. An ATM user might feel safer when the ATM and its immediate surrounding area are well lit. However, this same lighting makes the patron more visible to passing offenders. Who the lighting serves is unclear.''
"Lighting has received considerable attention. Yet, evaluation designs are weak and the results are mixed. We can have very little confidence that improved lighting prevents crime, particularly since we do not know if offenders use lighting to their advantage. In the absence of better theories about when and where lighting can be effective, and rigorous evaluations of plausible lighting interventions, we cannot make any scientific assertions regarding the effectiveness of lighting. In short, the effectiveness of lighting is unknown.''
There are more studies in that link if you care to read..
-Shane
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:213
| | 05/13/2008 2:01 PM |
Alert | I still have not seen or heard any statement from the City, and regardless of whether or not they have any information, they should have at least come out with a statement that either an incident took place, or no incident occured. Perhaps the one literate person at City Hall is off today. This takes a lack of transparency to new heights, and shows that there are a lot of problems stewing just under the surface that as a community we will need to come together and deal with, and hopefully make better.
I hope the City reports on something soon, as another news report, with no comment from the City, will just make us look dumb again to the rest of the Maricopa and Pinal communities. | | | |
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| | Lees2
Posts:586
| | 05/13/2008 2:43 PM |
Alert | MANY counties have light ordinances. We have TWO telescopes in Arizona. Arizona used to be rather unpopulated. YOU moved HERE after the fact without doing your homework. And stop blaming the city because you didn't do your homework. All of Pinal, Pima, Yavapai and I believe Coconino have light ordinances. That is a lot of Arizona. Don't visit to Flagstaff, Sedona, Tucson, or even Casa Grande - it might be too dark and dangerous.
Move back to Maricopa County or back to the big city you came from, which I am sure was crime free with all the lighting. I was an innocent bystander involved in two crimes in Maricopa County where there was plenty of light, one being in a WalMart. The guy with the gun didn't care about the lights or the cameras for that matter.
In any event, the real issue is about how to stop these bad apples now. I think we need more officer presence. However, there are costs and our city is spread out. | |
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| | ChiTownChick
Posts:424
| | 05/13/2008 2:52 PM |
Alert | These parents just do not give a rats Ass about their kids. My son was just threatened to be jumped at the High School and when I went to speak to the mother about it she said she doesn't bother with her kids "tits for tats" and that I was "To involved with my children".
How is a mother TO INVOLVED???????
It's parents like that, that do not care so their kids are rude, ignorant and disrespectful.
I did report the threat to the police and to the High School. I just don't trust these punks. | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 05/13/2008 2:54 PM |
Alert | | I know a guy who drove through Maricopa Meadows at 6am yesterday morning (the entire neighborhood) and didn't see 1 cop or police tape. I would assume the area would be covered in police tape if there were a real homicide investigation in a particular area. Maybe this story is phony? | | | |
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|  | alanf
Posts:1473
| | 05/13/2008 2:58 PM |
Alert | Posted By Tio Junior on 05/13/2008 2:54 PM
I know a guy who drove through Maricopa Meadows at 6am yesterday morning (the entire neighborhood) and didn't see 1 cop or police tape. I would assume the area would be covered in police tape if there were a real homicide investigation in a particular area. Maybe this story is phony?
...and don't you think there would be a post in the MM section asking what all the noise was at 3AM Monday? But nothing at all. Just somebody saying that somebody told them that....
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 05/13/2008 3:06 PM |
Alert | We can debate lights all day, you won't change my mind, I won't change yours. Whatevs. Big city vs. countryside follwed up with the standard "move back to the city" comment.
In either case, this is starting to look like a case of an internet rumor running wild. Gang fights in the streets, multiple helicopters, machetes, yet only one eye witness. If a murder occurred, there would have been crime tape everywhere, and there is a chance the whole neighborhood would have been on lock down for hours. Instead, all we really have is this thread.
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:172
| | 05/13/2008 3:12 PM |
Alert | | Bottom line on the lights is we aren't ever going to get any street lights. It would cost an enormous amount of money to install them. Plus, from what I know, the county won't allow it unless you pay a ton of money - like they did in Florence and they pay a 1.6% property tax rate at the new Anthem community. Street lights would be nice, but isn't going to happen. | | | |
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| | Lees2
Posts:586
| | 05/13/2008 3:14 PM |
Alert | Right Azsouthendzone
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19686060&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=517487&rfi=6 | |
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| | CT
Posts:99
| | 05/13/2008 3:21 PM |
Alert |
Lee: you should start a new post with the url posted. A lot of people may find this interesting.
below is the story that was reported in the Casa Grande newspaper regarding the incident in Maricopa Meadows.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19686060&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=517487&rfi=6
Breaking News....
Three teens stabbed in fight
Two flown to Phoenix hospital in critical condition
By ADAM GAUB, Managing Editor May 13, 2008
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Three Maricopa teenagers were stabbed in an early Monday morning fight in the Maricopa Meadows subdivision, Maricopa police reported today.
Lt. Al Weston, the in-charge officer at the scene, said two of the teens were critically injured and flown to Maricopa Medical Center in Phoenix. According
to Weston, one of the two male teenagers had made it out of the Intensive Care ward while the other remains in stable condition.
A third was less severely injured, and was taken by ambulance to MMC. He has subsequently been released.
The police arrested 21-year-old Perry Patterson in connection with the case and charged him with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Patterson was booked into the Pinal County Jail in Florence Monday.
Weston said MPD served a warrant on Patterson's place of residence at noon on Monday, collecting evidence and searching for the knife used in the fight.
Weston said the fight was not gang-related but the initial police investigation shows it may have been a dispute over a woman, known to male members of two groups of three to four individuals who fought. Weston said the fight occurred along the 45000 block of West Dutchman Drive.
Alcohol was a factor in the case, he said, indicating alcohol levels were present in the blood streams of all three of the victims in the case.
The investigation is ongoing and police are pursuing a second suspect in the case.
Check back with the Maricopa Monitor for continuing updates on this case.
©Casa Grande Valley Newspapers Inc. 2008
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
| | 05/13/2008 3:43 PM |
Alert | It was posted on the other site too. But if I give you the URL, I get in trouble  | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:590
| | 05/13/2008 4:07 PM |
Alert | Now that the official word is out, I want to know why it took 36 hours and multiple calls from many different sources before MPD spoke to anyone. Don't spout off that 'under investigation' crud. In a case where there is an ongoing investigation it is very standard procedure to state only the basic facts, ie "At approxamatly 3:30am there was an altercation involing x amount of people. This altercation resulted in 2 people being transported to a local hospital by helicopter and a 3rd transported by ambulance."
How hard was that? Why the secrecy? What else is being held back on a daily basis? | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
| | 05/13/2008 4:24 PM |
Alert | I can't speak for the other reporters, only myself - so their reasons may be different.
I have only ONE point of contact for MPD - Sgt Stephen Judd. He is the official PIO for the Maricopa Police Dept. I sent him numerous emails, left voice messages on his cell phone etc - all without a response. I even tried Jennifer at the City of Maricopa - she didn't know anything either.
After as you pointed out, many hours of no contact - I got fed up and called Chief Melvin. He DID take my call - confirmed an incident did occur and said he'd have the Lt in charge of the incident return my call. Lt. Allen Weston called me back about 15 minutes later and answered all my questions.
It turns out Sgt Judd is out of town until the end of the week. Why no one else was covering the media - I don't know. I will be asking later  | |
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| | chessman
Posts:244
| | 05/13/2008 4:52 PM |
Alert | Thanks Fritzy. Males doing stupid things over a female? We don't know all the particulars, but that sounds better to me than gang wars. Let's hope that is the real story. | |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:213
| | 05/13/2008 5:01 PM |
Alert | | It is also just as sad that the City believes it can withhold any type of statement and that will be ok with the public. As mallardisme puts it, why is a generic statement so hard? It must come down to the City is so used to operating in secret, they do not know how to react when everyone knows something has happened, but the City does not know what to say. In Phoenix, Mesa, Chandler, Casa Grande, an incident such as this would have had a statement out within 4 hours of the event. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:500
| | 05/13/2008 5:11 PM |
Alert | Posted By AuntieEm on 05/12/2008 8:00 PM
Posted By stephen on 05/12/2008 6:39 AM
At approximately 3AM this morning, a group of African American and Latino teenagers broke out in a fight in the northwest area of Maricopa Meadows. Knives were involved and a number of the teenagers were stabbed and cut. one of the teenagers was critically injured with lacerations by a machete and had to be airlifted out of Maricopa to Maricopa County Hospital. The other stabbings were not as serious, as I understand it.
As a homeowner and father of young children, there is nothing worse than being awaken by police lights and helicopters in your own neighborhood. This isn't the first time I've seen this stuff in my neighborhood.
The teenagers involved were all drinking. Why are these kids roaming around the streets in the middle of the night? Where are the parents? What is the police department doing about these kids? I've pretty much had it with all the disturbances in my area.
Just out of curiosity, if the teenagers were white, would you have described them as "white teenagers", or would you have just written "teenagers"?
My curiousity is similar: Is it the description of the teenagers that led to the link between the crime with rentals and low income?
Whether true or not, I find it sad.
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| | mallardisme
Posts:590
| | 05/13/2008 5:13 PM |
Alert | Thanks Fritzydoodle!
I guess they didn't think anyone would need to speak to the media this week? LOL
Anyhow, great followup! | |
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| | Nervanna
Posts:45
| | | celltech
Posts:0
| | 05/13/2008 6:45 PM |
Alert | I hope they catch all the suspects. | | | |
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