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Urban Cowgirl
Posts:209
 | | 10/10/2007 10:13 PM |
 Alert | Did anyone else find the story regarding the shooting that appears on the 85239.com home page incredibly disrespectful?
While it's certainly public record the name of the victim, and the name of the suspect, I don't think it was necessary to include these men's wives names - and in one case her place of employment.
Granted, we're a curious bunch, and would like to know what happened - but anything more than the facts included in public record is not our business. The story gives some facts, but leaves a lot to assumption and encourages people to read between the lines and speculate as to what was really the relationship between these four individuals.
I think that small towns like Maricopa have no problem keeping the rumor mills churning without the help of a "reputable" media source. And truly, don't you think that these women and families involved have enough going on right now that they shouldn't have to worry about the nasty gossip and speculation that's bound to be flying?
It's a sad, sad situation. Let's try to stick to the facts: there was a domestic dispute, shots were fired, this is the victim, this is the suspect.
Maybe I'm wrong, but regardless of how the situation escalated to this point, I feel for the familiies involved. | |
Janelle
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You can take the girl out of Kansas, but can't take Kansas out of the girl! | |
| | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 10/10/2007 10:22 PM |
Alert | I agree - we are a very curious bunch and this story gives just enough information to fling rumor mills into full force.
The names of the spouces and the places of employment (including the place of employment of the victim) are not anyone's business but those involved! If they want to make that public information, or if it comes out, that's one thing, but this story was very inappropirate. If your going to give that much detail, at least have the decency to give enough detail to sqash speculation! Or, better yet, don't give more details than necessary - especially when it's still being investigated. I'd think that if all of that information was officially released, it would have also been included in the AZ Republic story - either that or they just had the good sense to leave some personal details out. I feel for those families with their personal tragedy paraded around!
This story really is a slap in the face to the domestic violence awareness that should be the focus of this month! It's hard enough for victims to get up the courage to get help - if someone is on the edge of getting away and sees that their names could end up plastered on the front page, that could push them the wrong way, and that could become another tragic situation all too easily! | | | |
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| | hobson77
Posts:178
| | 10/10/2007 10:24 PM |
Alert | | I thought it was strange that they included the places of employment. Most news stories don't say - "_______ was killed and his wife ______ works at this place." Although names are usually used and family size, kids, ect. We are a nosy bunch and I think 85239.com was just trying to feed our hunger for info with overkill. | |
Life without kids, is no life at all!
Foster or Adopt a child, and you will know what your CALLING is....
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| | shertex
Posts:1039
| | 10/10/2007 10:26 PM |
Alert | | Wow, I saw something this morning...but until your post I didn't see the story. It really hits home when you see names and people you now realize that you know. It is sad with all the kids involved that we all now know who they are. That might just be THE NEWS, but I feel for the kids that now have to go to school next week and face their peers, gossip and loss etc. these poor kids have to grow up so fast. My heart goes out to the families. | |
Senior Member
Posts: 5042
Joined: Jan 2006
You better make it count, cause you can't get it back! | |
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| | Urban Cowgirl
Posts:209
| | 10/10/2007 10:27 PM |
Alert | Names, family size, etc, yes typically in an obituary. But, in an obituary, it also typically doesn't include specific cause of death (I know, because I often wonder). A "breaking news" story shouldn't include this.
I'm so annoyed by this that I already went to bed once, and it was bothering me enough to get back up and post. LOL
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Janelle
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You can take the girl out of Kansas, but can't take Kansas out of the girl! | |
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| | hobson77
Posts:178
| | 10/10/2007 10:33 PM |
Alert | Posted By Urban Cowgirl on 10/10/2007 10:27 PM
Names, family size, etc, yes typically in an obituary. But, in an obituary, it also typically doesn't include specific cause of death (I know, because I often wonder). A "breaking news" story shouldn't include this.
I'm so annoyed by this that I already went to bed once, and it was bothering me enough to get back up and post. LOL
The event in itself is totally disturbing to me and hard to get my mind off of. I can't even imagine what those poor kids are going through. | |
Life without kids, is no life at all!
Foster or Adopt a child, and you will know what your CALLING is....
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|  | bstoneaz
Posts:404
| | 10/10/2007 10:51 PM |
Alert | Did anyone else notice 85239 didn't even report on this until other news media had already posted their stories. zwire.com had their story up early this morning, several hours later 85239.com had the same basic information on their site. Then, around 11 azcentral.com had more specific information posted, about two hours later guess who? Yep, 85239.com posts the same information. Now it seems they wanted to be the first to post more personal information, which should be an invasion of privacy. Although the shooting was public record, was it really necessary to point out the suspect's estranged wife works for a local school? Nope. Just your typical irresponsible reporter doing what they do best. Reporting crap.
Scott should be proud of his crack reporting team. I mean his office is less than a mile from the scene and his team was the last to report on it. | |
Just the good ol' boys,
Never meanin' no harm,
Beats all you've ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.
Straight'nin' the curve,
Flat'nin' the hills.
Someday the moutain might get 'em, but the law never will.
Makin' their way,
The only way they know how,
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
Just good ol' boys,
Wouldn't change if they could,
Fightin' the system like a true modern day Robin Hood. | |
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| | No Way
Posts:1
| | 10/10/2007 11:28 PM |
Alert | Sad, like reading the New Times, one step above the enquirer. How DARE they expose the affected parties/families before they even get a chance to circle the wagons to protect the young and innocent.
Have we already gone "Big City"...?
Waht a shame. My heart goes out to the victims family | | | |
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| | Colgate
Posts:642
| | 10/10/2007 11:34 PM |
Alert | | Well, my heart goes out to the families. I was so shocked to hear what happened to Paul. He will be missed by me and my family during our visits to grab a bite to eat. Wow, he was such a great guy from what I knew of him just sitting around chatting with him during dinner. Kind of leaves a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. The families are in our prayers especially the children left behind without fathers to guide them throughout the rest of their lives. | |
Live every day as if it were your last and smile! | |
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:829
| | 10/10/2007 11:50 PM |
Alert | Thank you for this post. I couldn't agree more.
Paul will be missed. We knew him both professionally and personally. He was a devoted dad. This speculation about an extramarital relationship is vile gossip mongering. It does nothing good for those left behind.
What we need to know is that there are seven children who will grow up fatherless and two women who may need the help of their community. | |
Poster formerly known as Sassafrass. | |
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| | hvgal
Posts:17
| | 10/11/2007 6:18 AM |
Alert | | I agree with Colgate. Paul will be missed by my family and others. He is a great person to chat with when he was working. It is ashame that these families are going to be left without dads. My prayers are with these families. | | | |
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| | CyndiWitczak
Posts:223
| | 10/11/2007 6:35 AM |
Alert | | I sent an email to the website requesting removal of information not pertinent to the story, such as her place of employment. I encourage everyone who is bothered by this to do the same. | |
Yes, that's really my name | |
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| | ROCKmeHARDPLACE
Posts:174
| | 10/11/2007 7:08 AM |
Alert | | This is so sad. I think we as a community need to do whatever it takes to help these families out. They must be going through unimaginable pain now and need whatever help we can give them. Does anyone on the forum know these families well enough to set up an account at one of the local banks so we can donate money? What are their immediate needs? Two fathers have been ripped from their families. I can't even imagine what kind of counseling these childrent will need now and in the future. This community has shown before how it pulls together when one of it's own is in need. I think we have the ability to make a huge difference here and need to step up to the plate. | | | |
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| | Silence
Posts:0
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Posts:0
| | 10/11/2007 7:41 AM |
Alert | AZ Central and Channel 12 News just reported personal/private information last week. They posted a police report that had a social security number, driver's license number on it and the victim's address from his car registration as well. All this was on the police report and SHOULD have been redacted. It wasn't and Channel 12 News, along with AZ Central was too eager to be the first with the story that they didn't carefully remove this private information. They finally took it down when we had to point out the obvious. It had already been up for almost 24 hours and the damage was done. This has made life difficult for someone else in the report.
They don't care who they hurt....they just want to have the story first!!!!
We read a story, but this is someone's life and the pain is real. When they report irresponsibly like this.....it really takes a toll on the ones left behind. A story can be reported, but is the private information really necessary?
I have seen first hand exactly the pain this causes. These people have no mercy!!!! | | | |
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| | CyndiWitczak
Posts:223
| | 10/11/2007 7:55 AM |
Alert | | Silence, I didn't post, view, or comment on the pictures. If you were referring to me, I think you are mistaken. I also was not being critical of anyone's post. It was a comment to contact the 85239.com website itself. The best course of action is to be active. | |
Yes, that's really my name | |
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| | allforthem
Posts:4
| | 10/11/2007 8:28 AM |
Alert | Cub Scout Pack 997 and Boy Scout Troop 993 (which Paul was a huge part of)is setting up an accout at a local bank. We will notify the community when that is finished. The Scout Families have taken care of their immediate needs. We will have a raffle for a Star Quilt this weekend at Founder's Day. Please visit the Boy Scout booth in the food court for more information.
Thank you for all your prayers.
Melanie Rapp
Cub Scout Pack 997
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| | ROCKmeHARDPLACE
Posts:174
| | 10/11/2007 9:21 AM |
Alert | | Thank you Melanie, Pack 997 and Troop 993 for your thoughtful actions. Thank goodness for people like you who pitch in to help when someone is in need. I hope you receive a huge support from the community. If people are not able to attend the Founder's Day celebration this weekend is there any way to get more information regarding which bank we can make donations? I'm not sure what the forum rules are regarding this matter but I know some people will not be able to attend this weekend but would still like to donate. Thank you and everyone else again who are helping these families in such a troubling time. | | | |
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| | allforthem
Posts:4
| | 10/11/2007 9:24 AM |
Alert | | We will be posting that information on this site as soon as we get the paperwork done. | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3052
| | 10/11/2007 11:22 AM |
Alert | Bad reporting...
I don't think they should have posted the wives names and place of employment.
Bad Reporting... | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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