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ROCKmeHARDPLACEUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 8:33 AM Alert 

I was researching public school rankings in the US and came across this ranking of smartest states.  Check out where Arizona ranks! 

ROCKmeHARDPLACEUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 8:36 AM Alert 
Oops...my bad

http://www.statestats.com/edrank.htm
hendersonaUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 9:37 AM Alert 
yes, it's right
FritzydoodleUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 9:55 AM Alert 
There's one thing to say about Arizona education - we're consistent about being LAST.


Serpthia...User is Offline

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06/21/2008 10:31 AM Alert 
Fiftieth is so ridiculously sad. Arizona needs to get its head out of its posterior.
leehopperUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 11:48 AM Alert 

during the recents ASU graduations, one of the guest speakers at one of the ceremonies, made the statement, that the current generation of Americans, will be the least educated, compared to recent past generations.

Less education means less earning capability,
less earnings means less spending
which means less buying of stuff, which means worse economy

So the moral of the story is:

EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN, make sure the go to college

education means financial independence,
if you think education is expensive, try ignorance


Live today like no one else,
so that tomorrow
you can live like no one else
jhallUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 12:12 PM Alert 
the non english speakin population is killing us

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
TheBoymakerUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 12:51 PM Alert 
AZ has been jockeying for last since I moved here in 1997. It's atrocious. Not only that, but we also have one of the highest dropout rates in the nation.


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desertgalUser is Offline

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06/21/2008 3:47 PM Alert 

"Educate" kids so that they are absolute conformists, don't learn critical thinking skills, and generally graduate stupid from high school, and you're absolutely guaranteed that they'll vote the liberal line every time. Someone has to promise them all the welfare they need, and this positively guarantees it. Keep 'em dumb.


Proud conservatives happily living on our acreage in the beautiful mountains of Hidden Valley with no HOA.
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06/21/2008 5:26 PM Alert 
Arizona's problem is the "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND". What ever happened to holding kids back who needed the extra help?

Proud Momma of 2 beautiful boys!!!
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06/21/2008 8:13 PM Alert 
These problems existed long before NCLB. Again, we were 49th in 1997 when I moved here.

One factor in the determination of this rank is per pupil expenditure. As you can see, we trail behind other states. And that is within our power to change!

http://www.arizonaindicators.org/pages/phoenix/education/exp-per-student.html

As for the ELL, the schools should teach them in Spanish, and make English a mandatory class. It's very frustrating that these kids test poorly because they cannot understand English. Those tests aren't a measure of their knowledge and this ethnocentrism is biting us in the arse.

But people are trying to make the schools their immigration battlefield and the children aren't important if they can't speak the language. But that's another debate.

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06/22/2008 5:58 PM Alert 

I volunteered with the United Way in Phoenix yesterday.  In Maricopa County, 49% of children starting kindergarten are not ready to be there - some do not even know how to hold a pencil, some do not know the difference between blue and green.  Education needs to start when children are very young.  Read to them, interact with them, teach them, challenge them!

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06/23/2008 12:51 PM Alert 
This is just ONE of the reasons we decided to move back to Illinois. One of my children upon entering 1st grade last year was not even ready for it, she was placed into several extra help classes to catch her up, had a lot of diffaculty with spelling, reading and writing. She is now caught up, but it took the whole year and I have her enrolled into summer school help. We miss maricopa from time to time, but not the school system.
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06/23/2008 12:58 PM Alert 
Posted By Mouwser on 06/22/2008 5:58 PM

I volunteered with the United Way in Phoenix yesterday.  In Maricopa County, 49% of children starting kindergarten are not ready to be there - some do not even know how to hold a pencil, some do not know the difference between blue and green.  Education needs to start when children are very young.  Read to them, interact with them, teach them, challenge them!

 

 

 

You need a license to fish but any ignorant trash can shoot out kids.

 

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06/23/2008 1:13 PM Alert 

This low ranking is correct. No Child Left Behind doesn't always mean improved schools..... sometimes it also means the schools "dummy curriculum down" to the least acceptable standards so that it makes it easier for kids to pass......Additionally Arizona has the handicap of all the ESL students that burden the school systems as well.

I had to look long and hard to find a school that I wanted my daughter to attend because of this. Additionally, I had to "work" to get her in to that charter school, not just enroll her...... Parents at the school my daughter attends have to provide 50 hours of community service to the school as part of the child's enrollment also.  I work full time, and so my service to the school often is in the form of after hours work (projects preparing school materials for the classroom, or working on the school grounds on weekends)... I know this isn't for everyone.... but it is the choice I made to give my daughter the best education I could find and afford in Arizona.

Many times parents seem to feel that education of the kids falls all to the schools.... and when the child fails it is the school that failed ... But this isn't the case.... Education begins in the home. PArents have to be actively involved reading to the kids, teaching them basics, and putting in the time necessary to help the kids develop not only academically, but socially and emotionally.... all to often this just doesn't happen....

 


I am channeling my "inner cougar".....
ROCKmeHARDPLACEUser is Offline

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06/23/2008 1:28 PM Alert 
I knew before moving here Arizona's education system was below what we were used to but didn't realize it was dead last. My grandchildren go to Kyrene because we tried Maricopa and it wasn't for us. So does this ranking affect their chances of getting accepted into a good university? If so, I'm ready to pull up stakes and move!
JasonYUser is Offline

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06/23/2008 1:36 PM Alert 
The money to be spent on education is going to Iraq to rebuild homes for future terrorists. I thought Alabama or Arkansas were last for education? Arizona has some great colleges, but I am not impressed with the high schools.

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
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06/23/2008 1:37 PM Alert 
Posted By ROCKmeHARDPLACE on 06/23/2008 1:28 PM
I knew before moving here Arizona's education system was below what we were used to but didn't realize it was dead last. My grandchildren go to Kyrene because we tried Maricopa and it wasn't for us. So does this ranking affect their chances of getting accepted into a good university? If so, I'm ready to pull up stakes and move!

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "ranking" itself doesn't necessarily impact your child's ability to get in to certain colleges and universities.... but, if you do n't do "extra" to be certain your child is ready for placement exams, SAT's and ACT's then it could be an issue....School's only have to teach to the lowest level of achievement... and in ARizona, in some cases tht is not a very high standard. For information on the standards.... check the  Arizona Department of Education website... you can also look there for schools that are "highly performing".... in otherwords... having higher standards....you can also view schools "report cards", and see how the school ranks overall...... it is very eye openning

 


I am channeling my "inner cougar".....
RichTigUser is Offline

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06/23/2008 2:45 PM Alert 

Too many parents stick their heads up their asses and blame the schools when little Johnny can't read.

If those people got involved with their kids, maybe they wouldn't be dead last.

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06/24/2008 6:48 AM Alert 
Too many parents stick their heads up their asses and blame the schools when little Johnny can't read.

If those people got involved with their kids, maybe they wouldn't be dead last.


Ding! Ding! Ding!

The woman and me actually got an award from our children's school for parental involvement...

.. funny thing is.. we feel like doing those things because we're SUPPOSED to as parents..

kinda like Chris Rock's "I take care of my kids" bit..


Sorry, but if you're not meeting with your child's teacher at least weekly, you should re-think your priorities.. School cannot take replace parental involvement..


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