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Tio Junior
Posts:172
 | | 05/21/2008 3:15 PM |
 Alert | | alanf didn't write Scott Bartle's opinion article did he? I would have never seen the article if alanf didn't post it. I'm glad he posted it and it brought a lot of issues to my attention. Whether it was right or wrong shouldn't matter. alanf wasn't responsible for all of the posts on that thread so I don't see why he is taking heat for it? Thanks for posting the article alanf because I think a lot of information was given (good or bad). The people who posted on that thread are responsible for the direction it went. That's my opinion. | | | |
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| | Hudson
Posts:91
| | 05/21/2008 3:20 PM |
Alert | | Actually, the FCC regulates radio and television broadcasts, not the internet. | |
Repeat after me...
My parents are NOT to blame. I am NOT a Victim. The consequences of my actions are MY RESPONSIBILITY. | |
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| | Michelle
Posts:102
| | 05/21/2008 3:31 PM |
Alert | | I'm not sure I follow the logic here. The First Amendment protects the media from government censorship. It doesn't require the media to publish any and all opinions that are filltered through a particular outlet. | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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| | Eric the Red
Posts:435
| | 05/21/2008 3:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By gilbertglcn on 05/21/2008 1:50 PM
Actually, the 85239.com site CANNOT be a news source, as being a media outlet there are certain first amendment considerations that come into play. As an example, if I posted a response in the thread, and it was not offensive, was not illegal, was not immoral, nor gave out personal or information of a senstive nature, then having a media outlet remove my comments would infringe on my first amendment rights. Especailly if my comments were removed without informing me as to why the removal occured. As such, Scott Bartle would potentially guilty of a crime, and if this were a media, news outlet, could lose any federal license over this.
Since this is not a media outlet, and since it is not regulated as a news outlet, Scott can give his opinion, but NOT as a credible news outlet. If he would claim that he is running a news outlet, he would have to answer about. Yawn. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Notice there is no clause in there about media outlets? It's so you can complain about the government, and not that you have the right to say anything you want, wherever you want. Go ahead and scream you've been violated all you want. It won't make it true. | |
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| | Eric the Red
Posts:435
| | 05/21/2008 3:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By Michelle on 05/21/2008 3:31 PM
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. The First Amendment protects the media from government censorship. It doesn't require the media to publish any and all opinions that are filltered through a particular outlet. Bingo! | |
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| | Michelle
Posts:102
| | 05/21/2008 3:50 PM |
Alert | | I voted for Basement Cat. | |
I used to be Chelle.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich | |
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|  | Eric the Red
Posts:435
| | 05/21/2008 4:02 PM |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:213
| | 05/21/2008 5:16 PM |
Alert | | Eric The Red - You need to do some research on the criteria used by the FCC when issuing licenses to "media outlets". Discriminatory handling of opinions presented to them in any forum the outlet has established, or arbitrary handling, disposition of opinions can result in a license being terminated, or not renewed. That means the media outlet could not continue business. | | | |
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| | Eric the Red
Posts:435
| | 05/21/2008 5:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By gilbertglcn on 05/21/2008 5:16 PM
Eric The Red - You need to do some research on the criteria used by the FCC when issuing licenses to "media outlets". Discriminatory handling of opinions presented to them in any forum the outlet has established, or arbitrary handling, disposition of opinions can result in a license being terminated, or not renewed. That means the media outlet could not continue business. Please point me to the FCC regulations that pertain to online and print media outlets. So far as I can tell, the FCC only issues licenses for television, wireless providers, and radio operators. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 05/21/2008 7:10 PM |
Alert | Posted By gilbertglcn on 05/21/2008 5:16 PM
Eric The Red - You need to do some research on the criteria used by the FCC when issuing licenses to "media outlets". Discriminatory handling of opinions presented to them in any forum the outlet has established, or arbitrary handling, disposition of opinions can result in a license being terminated, or not renewed. That means the media outlet could not continue business.
 The FCC doesn't license 85239.com.
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| | TheBoymaker
Posts:787
| | 05/21/2008 10:24 PM |
Alert | | Gasp!! | |
Poster formerly known as Sassafrass. | |
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| | Pepperdog
Posts:229
| | 05/21/2008 10:39 PM |
Alert | Posted By Michelle on 05/21/2008 3:50 PM
I voted for Basement Cat.
But Ceiling cat has the ring of fire, the power of lighting and the voice of thunder....you go ceiling cat!
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Anyone who advocates a "one" world government, a "one" social order, or a "one" enviroment is a communist trying to take away your freedoms. Nature celebrates diversity! | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:976
| | 05/21/2008 10:44 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 05/21/2008 7:10 PM Posted By gilbertglcn on 05/21/2008 5:16 PM
Eric The Red - You need to do some research on the criteria used by the FCC when issuing licenses to "media outlets". Discriminatory handling of opinions presented to them in any forum the outlet has established, or arbitrary handling, disposition of opinions can result in a license being terminated, or not renewed. That means the media outlet could not continue business.
The FCC doesn't license 85239.com.
From the FCC's website:
About the FCCThe Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. possessions. No where in there does it say print or internet. The FCC does not regulate content of the media per se. You are allowed to be biased, left wing, right wing or wingless - just follow the rules in the US Code title 47. And most of the code is in regards to the engineering specs. | |
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| | Pepperdog
Posts:229
| | 05/21/2008 10:46 PM |
Alert | One thing for you to consider though is that I actually gave the thread no input, as opposed to many of my other threads. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that.
Well I guess not and there is no way of checking on that now.
I still don't see why the whole thread was removed and I had no idea that the originator of a thread had that kind of power on this site......hmmm....
BTW you didn't start the nastiness. Scott did. That opinion, the way it was written was nasty, a dirty trick. Just like the slam on Will's bankrupcy. Of course have never heard anything bad about Scott's business practices I can only assume it was pure co-incidence that both opinions appeared on a site that nither paid to advertise on. Go figure. Kinda like when you couldn't write a bad opinion about a major business advertisor or even comment on a business who didn't advertise here. Nah nothing similar....just coincidence. | |
Anyone who advocates a "one" world government, a "one" social order, or a "one" enviroment is a communist trying to take away your freedoms. Nature celebrates diversity! | |
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| | Eric the Red
Posts:435
| | 05/21/2008 10:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By Fritzydoodle on 05/21/2008 10:44 PM Posted By Jason on 05/21/2008 7:10 PM Posted By gilbertglcn on 05/21/2008 5:16 PM
Eric The Red - You need to do some research on the criteria used by the FCC when issuing licenses to "media outlets". Discriminatory handling of opinions presented to them in any forum the outlet has established, or arbitrary handling, disposition of opinions can result in a license being terminated, or not renewed. That means the media outlet could not continue business.
The FCC doesn't license 85239.com.
From the FCC's website:
About the FCCThe Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. possessions. No where in there does it say print or internet. The FCC does not regulate content of the media per se. You are allowed to be biased, left wing, right wing or wingless - just follow the rules in the US Code title 47. And most of the code is in regards to the engineering specs. Does this mean I don't have to do any research??  | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:976
| | 05/21/2008 10:54 PM |
Alert | | Research for what? Title 47? Happy reading - talk about two volumes more droll than War & Peace! | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:590
| | 05/22/2008 10:47 AM |
Alert | Hi kids, we have been through this before.
The news media is the news media because it declares itself as such. What that really means is that the person/agency that declares itself as a news organization has more access to events because the local agencies are not responsible for their safety as much as they would be for others. It is also a way to distinguish who distributes information first.
That’s pretty much it from that side.
NOW here is the other side. A news person/agency can elect to join larger organizations such as the National Newspaper Association (Yes, they cover website now as well). By doing this, it helps legitimatize the person/agency. They pressure governments for greater access while also developing an ethical code for those that are members. This is a two way street.
Members of the press, in the end, are responsible for themselves. I have been a member of several groups: The Greater Los Angeles Press Photographers Association and the National News Photographers Association. These groups do govern themselves. They do not help in getting press passes, like the ones I have had in the past from LAPD, LAFD or the Secret Service. They do, however lend a hand if a member has been unduly denied a press pass. Again, this also means that the member is in good standing with the group and follows general ethical practices as defined by the group.
Note that agencies like the FCC, police departments, fire departments, members of local government, etc have no say in this at all. It all comes down to the initial declaration. That is what the first amendment is really all about. If the FCC closes down a radio show, it is because violations have been noted due to anything from broadcast content (very defined, ask Howard Stern) to the amount of interference their repeater gives off. In general, with the exception of breaking laws (Child Porn, snuff, ect) You can pretty much say what you darn well please, depending on the avenues you use.
In the end, it is always up to the audience to decide if they want to support the publication or not. If they do, then advertising rates enjoy a higher price. If not, then nobody wants to pay for advertising in something that nobody looks at. And that is the bottom line.
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