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CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 1:21 PM |
Alert | I'm sure you saw the story on the front page today. I can't believe this happen right under their noses. So either MPD has no clue as to what is going on and no handle on the situations....or.....the violence has gotten so bad that the kids (gangs) have no concern over where they beat someone down.... (This is different than the attack in the Meadows) http://www.85239.com/NEWS/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=390&&ArticleID=3507&&name=c&&id=1 And to all of the people who drove by and did nothing to help, I only pray that you don't find your child in a similar situation. Personally, I would stop and try to do something...stop in the middle of the road and blow my horn...whatever it took b/c if it was my son being attacked, I would want someone to do the same for him. I understand not wanting to jeopardize your own well being, but from the story, all it took was someone to pull over and blow their horn for the beating to stop. I'm now starting to believe that Maricopa is not the place for me to raise my child. I've tried to stay very positive during the housing slump, but if MPD, DPS...someone...can't get a handle on what is happening and stop it before it gets worse, I'm not sure what I'll do. I'd rather take a loss on my house and rent in a neighborhood where I feel my family is safe. | | | |
| | mallardisme
Posts:564


 | | 05/13/2008 1:29 PM |
Alert | With the openess that MPD has shown, I wonder how many other things like this are not being heard about. I wonder what other incidents don't make publication..............................................
To me that is pretty darn scary. What we don't know about CAN hurt us.
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| | alanf
Posts:1459


 | | 05/13/2008 1:31 PM |
Alert | | CT, maybe you should research your thoughts before you come on here and make yourself look foolish? NO, Sun Life is not across the street from the MPD or the PCSO stations. If you are basing your LIFE decisions on articles from a not-news worthy internet site, I am not sure wher you could possibly live and feel good. But good luck to you, and step away from the computer. | | | |
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| | CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 1:33 PM |
Alert | So where is the Sun Life Health Center then? Maybe it's located more diagonally than directly across the street, but it's in close view...is that not correct? | | | |
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| | CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 1:36 PM |
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And for the record, being foolish would be to continue to keep my eyes closed to what is happening in our community, as many others do. And if the source is not "news-worthy" as you put it , then why would members of MPD provide statements to the media? They are being quoted in the article.
OK, so Sunlife is not directly across the street from MPD, but that doesn't change the fact that the situation seems to be getting worse. | | | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:955


 | | 05/13/2008 1:39 PM |
Alert | | CT - you are thinking about the old sheriff's substation, next to the court on 347. The new police station is located at City Hall on Madison Ave. | |
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| | CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 1:42 PM |
Alert | Fritzy: Thanks for the clarification. And thank you also for doing it in a mature manner and not attacking me for having concern for the community and more importantly my family's well being  At any rate, for this type of violence to happen out in the open on a main busy street like JWPKY....to me it's definitely a sign that things are way out of control. | | | |
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| | maricopacabana
Posts:338


 | | 05/13/2008 1:47 PM |
Alert | And Maricopa is different than any other City in what way? Other cities hide the violence is nice secluded area's? As of the end of the year the rate of violent crime in Maricopa per capita was a little lower than comparable area's. This incident should not change that fact. | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1459


 | | 05/13/2008 1:53 PM |
Alert | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=44765%20W.%20Hathaway%20Ave%2085239&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl Even the Sheriff's Sub Station is not in view of Sun Life. There was a beat down and that sucks. It probably happened and ended very fast. Personally, I'm watching the cars in front of me at that point and probably would have missed it. Maybe you could drive over there and get on the side road and you'll see. How much BAD have you actually seen happening in our little city, and how much have you heard about on the internet. I see many homes with weeds and foreclosure signs. I see a run down section of town. I see kids out playing, and families out walking their dogs. I see MPD cruise through my neighborhood fairly frequently (sometimes it looks like they are patrolling, other times they are in a hurry....but they are there). I see schools that are having a difficult time keeping up with our rapid growth. I see many ANGRY & Stressed out people that can not afford to live in the homes they purchased because they speculated on the future and things went bad. But have I seen fights - no. Have I seen teenagers out in the middle of the night drinking - no. Did I do these things when I was a teenager - YES. Things are not changing CT. Maricopa is just catching up to the rest of the cities. Can we make things better - maybe...but we need to know what is actually wrong first. I try not to throw stones until I can actually see my target and know it is the enemy. | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1459


 | | 05/13/2008 1:58 PM |
Alert | Posted By CT on 05/13/2008 1:42 PM Fritzy: Thanks for the clarification. And thank you also for doing it in a mature manner and not attacking me for having concern for the community and more importantly my family's well being  At any rate, for this type of violence to happen out in the open on a main busy street like JWPKY....to me it's definitely a sign that things are way out of control.
I was not the one that started a thread with a scream, or waggle my unknowing finger at everybody in Maricopa when I didn't know what was going on.
Oh, and I toned down my statement prior to posting. Why, because I THOUGHT before I hit the submit key. Try it. But I think this thread has gone as far as it will go. Open your eyes and see for yourself. It's a nice little city. What you hear on here is typically crap these days. | | | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:564


 | | 05/13/2008 2:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By maricopacabana on 05/13/2008 1:47 PM And Maricopa is different than any other City in what way? Other cities hide the violence is nice secluded area's? As of the end of the year the rate of violent crime in Maricopa per capita was a little lower than comparable area's. This incident should not change that fact.
The press. This is why news media that is worth anything are listening to scanners, talking to people at the station on a regular basis, have others that are comfortable saying things without fear of reprisals..
The area that I trained was a small town, although it was part of a larger city. These types of incidents were almost impossable to have happen with no real hard information. Sometimes that it what made the officials talk. I used to get to some of the events before the police or fire departments. Just because other citys do the same thing does not make it right. Not knowing about violence on the streets is not beneficial to the citizens of the community. It actually endangers the citizens. It has been almost 36 hours since this incident allegedly happened our local officials won't have the courtesy to confirm, deny, or detail what actually happened. That is unacceptable. | | Let X=X | |
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| | asugrl
Posts:354

 | | 05/13/2008 2:09 PM |
Alert | Exactly. Unfortunately, rising crime is often a sign of growth in a city. And maybe I am not surprised at teen fights/drinking because my brother did those things himself when he was 14 or so. It actually makes me a little angry when people suggest those kids' parents don't care or it only happens because they are renting or are a minority. My parents were middle-class when my brother went around tagging stuff and drinking, and they definitely did care where he was. He wasn't allowed out; he just snuck out the window, so they had to go searching for him. I think they were naive because it took awhile for them to figure out what he was doing out there, so some of these kids' parents may feel the same way. Thankfully my brother grew up and is fine, but some of his friends have ended up like the kid who died. And this was in Scottsdale and Carlsbad, CA, generally nice places. I guess my point is that it can happen anywhere; it doesn't make Maricopa a ghetto suddenly because some teens are bored and decide to start drinking.
The only two things that do worry me about this whole incident are that 1) it seems that the police are trying to cover it up, and 2) there is still nothing for teens to do here, and won't be for awhile.  | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1459


 | | 05/13/2008 2:24 PM |
Alert | Posted By mallardisme on 05/13/2008 2:01 PM Posted By maricopacabana on 05/13/2008 1:47 PM And Maricopa is different than any other City in what way? Other cities hide the violence is nice secluded area's? As of the end of the year the rate of violent crime in Maricopa per capita was a little lower than comparable area's. This incident should not change that fact.
The press. This is why news media that is worth anything are listening to scanners, talking to people at the station on a regular basis, have others that are comfortable saying things without fear of reprisals..
The area that I trained was a small town, although it was part of a larger city. These types of incidents were almost impossable to have happen with no real hard information. Sometimes that it what made the officials talk. I used to get to some of the events before the police or fire departments. Just because other citys do the same thing does not make it right. Not knowing about violence on the streets is not beneficial to the citizens of the community. It actually endangers the citizens. It has been almost 36 hours since this incident allegedly happened our local officials won't have the courtesy to confirm, deny, or detail what actually happened. That is unacceptable.
But we currently do not have a Maricopa News Source. We have an 2 internet sites that want to be news sources. And unfortunately, we ARE isolated from Phoenix. We have 3 local papers that are not daily.
Has anybody here actually tried getting the information themselves, or are we all just waiting on 85239 and Fritzydoodle to get the info? After searching through azcentral and the republic, I doubt it actually happened now. Why doesn't MPD respond to 85239.com? Why should they. How many people actually frequent this site out of 30,000+ people in Maricopa. I'd bet it is in the <5% range. Where is the ONLY place this alleged drunken knife reported? 85239.com forum. Come on.....36 hours and a knife with with life flights would have made azcentral and the republic. | | | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:564


 | | 05/13/2008 2:38 PM |
Alert | | You may be right... In which case one has to ask why nobody will confirm, deny or detail that time period the other night. That makes no sense either. | | Let X=X | |
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| | CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 2:38 PM |
Alert | Just for clarification purposes....my original post was not addressing the "rumored" stabbing violence that happened in Maricopa Meadows, but the beating that took place in front of Sun Life Health Center, which the MPD spoke directly to the "news source" and were quoted as doing so. | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1459


 | | 05/13/2008 2:49 PM |
Alert | Posted By CT on 05/13/2008 2:38 PM Just for clarification purposes....my original post was not addressing the "rumored" stabbing violence that happened in Maricopa Meadows, but the beating that took place in front of Sun Life Health Center, which the MPD spoke directly to the "news source" and were quoted as doing so. Yeah, I got that CT. Sorry to bag on you. No harm intended. Please don't base your decisions about Maricopa and the safety of your family on what you read here though. This place is filled with drama and more grains of salt than Morten extracts from the Great Salt Lake every year.  | | | |
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| | CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 3:02 PM |
Alert | Alanf...thanks...apology accepted Honestly, I love Maricopa. Granted I'm use to living in a more populated, upscale area, but i really do love living here. I enjoy the "FREE" community events and think the parks n rec dept do a great job. My 5 yr old son loves sports and plays every single one offered, year round. I am a very involved parent and will continue to be as my son grows, but unfortunately, i won't be able to keep him shielded from every situation he may encounter while growing up. I do believe that a fair and weaponless 1 on 1 fight is part of growing up, it's the gang style beatings that scare me to death. While I realize that Maricopa is in the growing stages, and I'm willing to stick it out and endure the pains, my fear is, if these issues continue to escalate and someone doesn't get a handle on it, maybe it's not the right place for my son to grow up. | | | |
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| | CT
Posts:96

 | | 05/13/2008 3:25 PM |
Alert | If anyone is interested....below is the story that was reported in the Casa Grande newspaper regarding the incident in Maricopa Meadows.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19686060&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=517487&rfi=6
Breaking News.... Three teens stabbed in fight Two flown to Phoenix hospital in critical condition By ADAM GAUB, Managing Editor May 13, 2008 Email to a friend Voice your opinion Three Maricopa teenagers were stabbed in an early Monday morning fight in the Maricopa Meadows subdivision, Maricopa police reported today. Lt. Al Weston, the in-charge officer at the scene, said two of the teens were critically injured and flown to Maricopa Medical Center in Phoenix. According to Weston, one of the two male teenagers had made it out of the Intensive Care ward while the other remains in stable condition.
A third was less severely injured, and was taken by ambulance to MMC. He has subsequently been released.
The police arrested 21-year-old Perry Patterson in connection with the case and charged him with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Patterson was booked into the Pinal County Jail in Florence Monday.
Weston said MPD served a warrant on Patterson's place of residence at noon on Monday, collecting evidence and searching for the knife used in the fight.
Weston said the fight was not gang-related but the initial police investigation shows it may have been a dispute over a woman, known to male members of two groups of three to four individuals who fought. Weston said the fight occurred along the 45000 block of West Dutchman Drive.
Alcohol was a factor in the case, he said, indicating alcohol levels were present in the blood streams of all three of the victims in the case.
The investigation is ongoing and police are pursuing a second suspect in the case.
Check back with the Maricopa Monitor for continuing updates on this case.
©Casa Grande Valley Newspapers Inc. 2008 Email to a friend Voice your opinion Top
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| | Marni
Posts:397

 | | 05/13/2008 5:58 PM |
Alert | No, it really isn't directly across the street from the station. | | "Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008 | |
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| | Pepperdog
Posts:219


 | | 05/13/2008 10:31 PM |
Alert | About the info time lag....
I don't thik it is a bad reflection on the police, I think it is a bad reflection on this site. Having on one source in the police dept. for news created this 36 hour mess. When she finally decided to call someone else, she got an answer....Another news source had a response a whole lot sooner. This is a good site for social events but not a hard news source by any means. Simply look at how they have covered our local highschool. It has the performance, appearance, enviroment and discipline problems of the worst inner city schools and this site thinks nothing of it. Just a bump in the road. This site rates image very high over substance and they get what they sow. No one takes them seriously, not the police, not the city, not the council and not the school district. If ya wannabe a pro then you have to play hardball..... | | You are not authorized to post a reply! | |
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