klix76
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 | | 05/12/2008 3:45 PM |
Alert | | This subject will be debated. The key emphasis has been the "ROOT" any child in any community grows up based on the parental guidance. The parents are the primary responsibility. The kids involved are obviously known now by the police; I feel logic would be as mentioned put them to work and INCLUDE MOMMY AND DADDY. To add, the story should be 85239 priority news and in the same fashion as other news, post the pictures of the kids and parents. I have to agree a good tight knit community that is observant is nice but that still places far too much on our shoulders. Desn't MM have police doing bike patrol at night? Well Dunkin Doughnuts isn't in so where did they go? | | | |
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NY2Copa
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 | | 05/12/2008 3:51 PM |
Alert | | Takingabreak ..... I fully support your suggestion! | | | |
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AZ Dreaming
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 | | 05/12/2008 4:34 PM |
Alert | This is truly a COMMUNITY problem. The police need more patrols, the parents need to become more involved and if their child is in a gang on in anyway part of the problem they need to be held liable along with the child. (Community service and fines). Perhaps it is time for the city to revisit the issue of no street lights. Yes the ambience we all wanted of being able to see stars is nice, but it takes a backseat to the safety of the community. I would suggest that all homeowners purchase flood lights for their front yard and back yard, which will come on blindingly if someone approaches your home. We do have a greater than normal percentage of renters who have lower incomes and no pride of ownership in their home. However, these homes are owned by homeowners who do have to answer to their HOA's. Stiff fines and liens on these homes are part of the HOA's power to enforce their CC&R's. All of these components; police, parents, city council. HOA's and individual homeowners must come together and say enough is enough. Strong block watch organizations in all communities is also a very helpful tool. It's time to take back our city and community. Let's get busy and do it!  | | Senior Member Joined July, 2005 | |
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Monkey!
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 | | 05/12/2008 4:43 PM |
Alert | Just out of curiousity what type of youth programs do we currently have in Maricopa? Are there Boys/Girls Clubs or something of that ilk out there? Not that youth programs solve even a fraction of the problem but it is a start. Is there some sort of community outreach that tries to give direction to children whose parents don't seem to?
There is no excuse for the grafitti or violence. I think this type of behaviour has to be punished but some preventitive action seems in order so the problem does not grow. | | | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 4:56 PM |
Alert | Posted By Monkey! on 05/12/2008 4:43 PM
Just out of curiousity what type of youth programs do we currently have in Maricopa? Are there Boys/Girls Clubs or something of that ilk out there? Not that youth programs solve even a fraction of the problem but it is a start. Is there some sort of community outreach that tries to give direction to children whose parents don't seem to?
There is no excuse for the grafitti or violence. I think this type of behaviour has to be punished but some preventitive action seems in order so the problem does not grow. Youth sports could be an option but we don't have the facilities. I think the only youth programs that are offered are from the La Roca Nightclub and Circle K. | | | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 4:57 PM |
Alert | | Flood lights are a great idea. | | | |
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Kim67
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 | | 05/12/2008 5:12 PM |
Alert | | So after reading the responses here I am slightly irratated. As a teenagers I feel grouped together, just because some morons with absolutely no self control or brains for that matter decide to go make mince meat out of each other at three in the morning has nothing to do with most of the teenage population. Just because some people are weak willed and give in to the retarded hype of "OHHH I'M IN A GANG I'M SO BAD" they are stupid and have no brain cells. Blaming the parents does no good, they obviously know right from wrong and they knew what they were doing when they attacked each other at 3 IN THE MORNING!!!!! Face it people its no ones fault but thier own. And i'm so sick of hearing teenagers are soooo bad and no one trusts them there are a few of us that are good. AND now i'm done ranting i just thought i'd throw my take on the situation out there, also those morons should be locked up and punished! | | | |
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 5:24 PM |
Alert | Posted By Kim67 on 05/12/2008 5:12 PM
So after reading the responses here I am slightly irratated. As a teenagers I feel grouped together, just because some morons with absolutely no self control or brains for that matter decide to go make mince meat out of each other at three in the morning has nothing to do with most of the teenage population. Just because some people are weak willed and give in to the retarded hype of "OHHH I'M IN A GANG I'M SO BAD" they are stupid and have no brain cells. Blaming the parents does no good, they obviously know right from wrong and they knew what they were doing when they attacked each other at 3 IN THE MORNING!!!!! Face it people its no ones fault but thier own. And i'm so sick of hearing teenagers are soooo bad and no one trusts them there are a few of us that are good. AND now i'm done ranting i just thought i'd throw my take on the situation out there, also those morons should be locked up and punished! I don't place all teens into a bad catagory. I believe that many kids are good kids. You sound like one of the latter. I have a child and I would not want him lumped into a group either. The real issue here is that this is a bigger problem than just the idiots from last night and it needs to be stopped before it gets worse. I certainly don't think every teen should be punished because of the idiots that go out of their way to harm themselves, others, and property. With that in mind, I want to do what I can to get the bad people off the streets so that people like yourself don't suffer from their actions. I don't want my familty to suffer from the actions of a few. This is why I advocate keeping our collective eyes out so that we can help avoid situations like this. | | Let X=X | |
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Jgk2383
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 5:50 PM |
Alert | Jgk2383,
I am still laughing!
Well said and Ditto! | | Let X=X | |
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stephen
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 | | 05/12/2008 6:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jgk2383 on 05/12/2008 5:29 PM So renters are the cause of evil as Stephen so eloquently put it. Sir you are a complete and utter idiot. The idiots are the "homeowners" in this joke of a HOA that bought more than they can afford and had their houses foreclosed on. So yes the rent is cheap, but you moved out here because the houses were cheap. People in places like Chandler and Awhatukee look down upon you like you are looking down on the renters in this are. I will gladly match bank accounts and assets with you and you will find that I have more and I rent. There goes your arguement on low income renters. Also while your property goes down and down I will laugh as I am renting while your property is depreciating. Soon my friend you will have weeds as high as you are while mounted on that pretty white horse. If you want to talkabout the homeowners that have these obnoxious dogs that bark all night we can, If you want to talk about homeowners who think they can park anywhere we can. And I know that you will say "oh your a renter" and my reply to that is I am a smart individual taking advantage of an economic condition while you on the other just get to sit back and watch the decline. Call me what you want Say what you want, but when it comes down to it I am your neighbor....... SO stop bashing all renters cause that is not becoming of such a model citizen like yourself and maybe get the renters involved in some of these meetings etc, why should any renter take pride in a community that just talks garbage about them and then doesnt include them in anything that involves it. If we don't have a voice about whats going on why should we care? Answer that one for me Mr. Rogers........ 
" I would bet all of the wealth in yours and my portfolios that the MAJORITY of the issues surrounding the violence, graffiti, disruptions and all-out madness are contributed by renters in our city. I know for a FACT that this is the case in my block. You obviously lack the common sense to delineate yourself from other renters. I never said all renters are the cause of trouble nor did I ever say that all of the problems are caused only by renters. Is what I just stated without merit? Be honest. Please take your bank account and invest it in some self confidence and common sense and stop coming up with dumb-founded conclusions. I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR RESTLESS NEIGHBORS MY FRIEND.
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Jgk2383
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 | | 05/12/2008 6:12 PM |
Alert | Ok now that we got that out of the way, who should we speak to about getting responsible renters some sort of say in this HOA in maricopa meadows? I for one would like to play an active role in the community as I am also a father of 2. If I can be of any assistance please let me know  | | | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 6:54 PM |
Alert | Whoa JgK. No one said ALL renters are bad, it is a FACT that areas with a high number of rental properties does equal increased crime rates. That is a fact and it is not debatable. Are all renters bad? Of course not. Is a large number of renters in one area a red flag? No doubt.
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/051108/TRI_BGE02KFV.032.php
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Wompus
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 | | 05/12/2008 6:55 PM |
Alert | OK well now back to the issue at hand… no more heads in the sand. Yes, there are gangs in Maricopa and yes, the parents are mostly to blame. What some people don’t understand is that some of these parents are current or former gang members themselves, here in AZ to sidestep the three strikes law in California. Not saying all of these punks are but some are. And calling them punks isn’t some generalization. They have no sense of pride, positive home life or personal responsibility so they are punks…. But I’ll call them youths if that gives some of you a warm fuzzy. Please let one person show me how little Billy just happened to be there when this happened and he is the innocent little apple in the bunch… at 3 o’clock in the morning. Where exactly were their parents? Did the PTA meeting run late?
Blaming the community is such a cop-out and lame reply. With the exception of the town natives most of the town people are pretty new transplants. You think these youths were ‘A’ students where ever they came from? I bet they were just as socially maladjusted there but there were more places to blend in or there were other factors that kept them in check.
That being said, would a Rec center or bike park have given these youths a place to vent? Or more likely a piece of turf to claim and deface?
As for renters… yes they generally (Generally, but not all) do bring down the property values and pretty much always have. I could care less about anyone’s bank account except my own but there is a difference between an average renter and a low income renter but the similarities have to do with home improvements and the general appearance of the exterior of the home…. Not the children you raise. So again, renting doesn’t make you a bad person, it just means you have less at stake in building a better community.
Just my opinion…
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Stinkerbell
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 | | 05/12/2008 7:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By Kim67 on 05/12/2008 5:12 PM
So after reading the responses here I am slightly irratated. As a teenagers I feel grouped together, just because some morons with absolutely no self control or brains for that matter decide to go make mince meat out of each other at three in the morning has nothing to do with most of the teenage population. Just because some people are weak willed and give in to the retarded hype of "OHHH I'M IN A GANG I'M SO BAD" they are stupid and have no brain cells. Blaming the parents does no good, they obviously know right from wrong and they knew what they were doing when they attacked each other at 3 IN THE MORNING!!!!! Face it people its no ones fault but thier own. And i'm so sick of hearing teenagers are soooo bad and no one trusts them there are a few of us that are good. AND now i'm done ranting i just thought i'd throw my take on the situation out there, also those morons should be locked up and punished! Obviously they dont know RIGHT from WRONG and THAT is there parents fault!!! I know where MY teenager is-especially at 3 am!! AND you can bet that if I had a machete I would know where that is at ALL times too!!! These lil GANGBANGER wanna be's need to be rounded up and let THEM do the weed clean up through out Maricopa-instead of Brian Duncan in AC and Church of Celebration in Desert Cedar!! | | | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 7:02 PM |
Alert | | Best post so far Wompus.... | | | |
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Stinkerbell
Posts:59

 | | 05/12/2008 7:06 PM |
Alert | Oh and I believe this was the subdivision a fine MPD was "caught" playing video games on his laptop in his patrol car while at a park???....
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 7:09 PM |
Alert | Posted By Stinkerbell on 05/12/2008 7:06 PM
Oh and I believe this was the subdivision a fine MPD was "caught" playing video games on his laptop in his patrol car while at a park???....
Things that make you go HMMMM....
What was he playing, Tiger Woods? Can't blame him.
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Kim67
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 | | 05/12/2008 7:28 PM |
Alert | They know right from wrong cutting someone up at 3 in the morning isn't exactly going to win you the good boy award hurting someone is always wrong parents don't need to teach you that. They CHOSE to hurt each other. |
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AuntieEm
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:00 PM |
Alert | Posted By stephen on 05/12/2008 6:39 AM At approximately 3AM this morning, a group of African American and Latino teenagers broke out in a fight in the northwest area of Maricopa Meadows. Knives were involved and a number of the teenagers were stabbed and cut. one of the teenagers was critically injured with lacerations by a machete and had to be airlifted out of Maricopa to Maricopa County Hospital. The other stabbings were not as serious, as I understand it. As a homeowner and father of young children, there is nothing worse than being awaken by police lights and helicopters in your own neighborhood. This isn't the first time I've seen this stuff in my neighborhood. The teenagers involved were all drinking. Why are these kids roaming around the streets in the middle of the night? Where are the parents? What is the police department doing about these kids? I've pretty much had it with all the disturbances in my area.
Just out of curiosity, if the teenagers were white, would you have described them as "white teenagers", or would you have just written "teenagers"?
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