SmilingChic
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:44 AM |
 Alert | Wonderfully put Shane! I was so busy typing that I missed your response. I back you 100% on that one. | | | |
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stephen
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| | 05/12/2008 10:52 AM |
Alert | | Where is the local news coverage on this? People need to be made aware of situations like this. If the kid didn't make, it's murder in our community. | | | |
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azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 05/12/2008 11:01 AM |
Alert | | Street lights shoudl be installed all around town, in every neighborhood, regardless of light pollution, in my opinion. It is a city law, is it not? The first candidate to take that position gets my vote. | | | |
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AzSandSlinger
Posts:739
| | 05/12/2008 11:18 AM |
Alert | Street lights shoudl be installed all around town, in every neighborhood, regardless of light pollution, in my opinion. It is a city law, is it not? The first candidate to take that position gets my vote.
Lights solve nothing... how about we work on the root of the problem..
BTW.. I like the DARK SKY I have here.. it's one of the reason's that attracted me to here.. you want street lights? install some floods in front of YOUR home..
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azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 05/12/2008 11:32 AM |
Alert | Posted By AzSandSlinger on 05/12/2008 11:18 AM Street lights shoudl be installed all around town, in every neighborhood, regardless of light pollution, in my opinion. It is a city law, is it not? The first candidate to take that position gets my vote.
Lights solve nothing... how about we work on the root of the problem..
BTW.. I like the DARK SKY I have here.. it's one of the reason's that attracted me to here.. you want street lights? install some floods in front of YOUR home..
-Shane
We can agree to disagree on that one. If you consider it a "dark sky" then you and I have a different definition of what a dark sky is. I see a partially lit sky, barely darker than in town, with a lot of dark streets which would make it easy to break into a car or spray paint a wall. I think if it was put to a vote that law would change in a landslide.
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stephen
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| | 05/12/2008 11:45 AM |
Alert | I agree. I would vote for street lights in a heartbeat as it WILL have a direct effect on the questionable behavior at night. There is a reason that situations like last night occur at night. Light polution? Who made that term up? I don't buy it. It's strictly cost driven. | | | |
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anewman
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| | 05/12/2008 11:50 AM |
Alert | If there were lights it would not have prevented what happened - just where it happened. Think about how much worse this could have been if it occured in an area where there were no houses to hear and report what was going on. The new channels could have been reporting 5 dead in Maricopa gang fight. | |
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AzSandSlinger
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| | 05/12/2008 11:56 AM |
Alert | I'm sure if there were street lights.. last night would have never happened, right? I'm pretty sure the gang-infested city of Los Angeles has street lights... call me crazy.. but this incident would have happened regardless of street lights...
The lack of neighborhood street lights is a courtesy to the observatories in Tucson... and I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that if it were put to a vote, it would get shot down... not just for people who don't want lights.. but because the lack of trust the people have for our city government spending a significant amount of money (because the cost of this would be HUGE)
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alanf
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| | 05/12/2008 12:04 PM |
Alert | I just wonder who's story 85239.com will publish on this item. Their reporters must be on sabbatical or something. | | | |
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anewman
Posts:670
| | 05/12/2008 12:15 PM |
Alert | I would think the city isn't even responsible for the street lights. That would fall under the developer and then the HOA- as the neighboorhoods are not managed by the city.
So if your HOA doesn't have the money to clear the weeds from empty houses do you think they have the money for 100's of street lights?
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NukeGM
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| | 05/12/2008 12:17 PM |
Alert | | I agree street lights would solve nothing. Gang members do not care about if anyone sees them, they would have this fight in broad day light if they came across each other. When I lived in LA gangbangers would shoot each other right in a busy 7/11 store and just walk out like nothing happened. | |
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stephen
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| | 05/12/2008 12:23 PM |
Alert | Whoa folks. Nobody said anything about gangs in this particular incident. It's too early to tell.
IMO, street lights are like car alarms. They are simply deterrents but not a guarantee. 90% of potential car thieves will move on to the next car that doesn't have an alarm. But there is that 10% of hard-core thieves that don't car about alarms. They will get your car regardless. I think the same can be said about street lights. They will simply deter some crimes from happening. But if it will prevent a kid from getting nearly murdered in front of my own house, I'm all for it. | | | |
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AzSandSlinger
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| | 05/12/2008 12:31 PM |
Alert | They will simply deter some crimes from happening. But if it will prevent a kid from getting nearly murdered in front of my own house, I'm all for it.
They deter the place.. not the crime... the kid would have been attacked someplace else, that's all...
Again, let's concentrate on the root of the problem.. not weak deterrents..
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azsouthendzone
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| | 05/12/2008 1:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By AzSandSlinger on 05/12/2008 11:56 AM
The lack of neighborhood street lights is a courtesy to the observatories in Tucson... A courtesy to the observatories in Tucson? That makes sense except for the fact that the city of Tucson exists and is a stone's throw away while we are over a hundred miles away. What are they observing over there, Ace Hardware and Teakwoods? | | | |
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VikingsFan
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| | 05/12/2008 1:25 PM |
Alert | By the way, I think this is a perfect example of why we need this forum. Otherwise, I would have had no idea that this incident ever even happened.
Also, I agree - don't jump to the conclusion that this is truly gang-related. There are a lot of wanna be gangbangers out there - not that they are any less scary or dangerous though. | | | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:224
| | 05/12/2008 2:23 PM |
Alert | Posted By alanf on 05/12/2008 12:04 PM I just wonder who's story 85239.com will publish on this item. Their reporters must be on sabbatical or something.
No, no, no... the Suite 16 girls that left had to have media coverage, so they sent 2 people to find/cover them.
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AmyB1
Posts:732
| | 05/12/2008 2:27 PM |
Alert | I keep hoping a "parent" of one of the youths involved in this morning's melee will log on and post on this thread.... I'd just love to hear who they would blame for their kid being "on the loose" this morning at 3:00 am or so, armed and drinking..... Classic! | |
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azsouthendzone
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| | 05/12/2008 2:35 PM |
Alert | Posted By AmyB1 on 05/12/2008 2:27 PM I keep hoping a "parent" of one of the youths involved in this morning's melee will log on and post on this thread.... I'd just love to hear who they would blame for their kid being "on the loose" this morning at 3:00 am or so, armed and drinking..... Classic!
The parents most likely were armed and drinking as well, and I think that internet access is probably out of the question so you probably will never hear a response.
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Tio Junior
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| | 05/12/2008 2:37 PM |
Alert | | Of course it's the parents fault. It definitely isn't my responsibility to stay up all hours of the night looking out my front window to see what kids are running around with knives. I would personally be sleeping because I know my kid is sleeping and I have to work in the morning. Obviously if I woke up in the middle of the night and saw something or heard something going on, I would call the police, but pinning the blame on the community is out of place. Who lets their teenage kid out on a Sunday night at 3am? The parents obviously have no control or don't watch their kids close enough. Low rent and section 8 definitely don't help. | | | |
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AmyB1
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| | 05/12/2008 2:39 PM |
Alert | Posted By azsouthendzone on 05/12/2008 2:35 PM Posted By AmyB1 on 05/12/2008 2:27 PM I keep hoping a "parent" of one of the youths involved in this morning's melee will log on and post on this thread.... I'd just love to hear who they would blame for their kid being "on the loose" this morning at 3:00 am or so, armed and drinking..... Classic!
The parents most likely were armed and drinking as well, and I think that internet access is probably out of the question so you probably will never hear a response.
Dang! I figured those parents would have lots of time on their hands, since they aren't consumed with tending to their kids.... And I had my tiniest violin all tuned up to play along with the sad song of woe the parent would spin about their kid being misunderstood, or just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time... or any of the other lame "denial of personal responsibility" reasons these parents might conjure up... | |
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