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NorCal GirlUser is Offline

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05/06/2008 11:46 AM Alert 

Great insight on the canines housemate.  Question: Do you offer training?  I paid for professional training for my Amer. Bulldog in Cali and haven't really come across anyone or any specific type of methods.  The trainer gave us a book, and suggested the use of a pinch collar, which is a novel idea.  Now, I have 2 dogs.  My A.B. is about 2 yrs. old and I have a fiesty puppy rottie (needs training bad!) around 5 mos. old.

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05/06/2008 12:46 PM Alert 
Posted By Jason on 05/06/2008 10:59 AM
If it's not the breed, then why are they responsible for most of the deaths in human dog bites?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf


It is not the breed, it is the way people train their dogs.

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05/06/2008 1:26 PM Alert 

i agree with you also caveman

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05/06/2008 6:34 PM Alert 
Same animals just can't be domesticated. Although pit bulls are dogs,which are domesticated, they still seem too "wild" to be house pets.

Take the zebra for example. It's an equine, but just can't be broken in. If they could be domesticated,plenty of people would be using them in Africa.

Ok, back on track....

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05/06/2008 11:37 PM Alert 
Posted By caveman on 05/06/2008 12:46 PM
Posted By Jason on 05/06/2008 10:59 AM
If it's not the breed, then why are they responsible for most of the deaths in human dog bites?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf


It is not the breed, it is the way people train their dogs.


Then wouldn't the deaths be more evenly distributed?

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Devil DogUser is Offline

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05/07/2008 1:21 AM Alert 
Caveman go back in to your cave. Narrow viewpoint not. Just common sense. Time and time again - Story after stories, we all heard of them. How my dog was friendly and highly trained, but yet, just that one moment they lose all control and end results are someone is badly injured or child death to whom they are in contact with. How much proof do you need to think that pits are house pets. We can go on with Pros and Cons all day long until we turn blue in the face. Just don't like them.

Growing-up in the hood I seen my fair share of pits - Great and bad pits. Just don't want them around my family. Just turn the other way and stay far far away.

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05/07/2008 4:05 AM Alert 
Posted By caveman on 05/06/2008 12:46 PM
Posted By Jason on 05/06/2008 10:59 AM
If it's not the breed, then why are they responsible for most of the deaths in human dog bites?

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf


It is not the breed, it is the way people train their dogs.


Not so much.  My greyhound was attacked by a pit bull - we were walking on the sidewalk with Patton on a leash, and this dog ran out of someone's home, and attacked.  The owners were all about  "Don't blame the breed, its how people train them."  They also kept saying, "we don't know what happened, he is such a good, loving dog."

 


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05/07/2008 7:24 AM Alert 
The problem is the breed of the dog that does the attack. What is a pit? There are several breeds that are considered this. The American Staffordshire terrier and the American Pit bull terrier. The AmStaff is AKC and UKC recognised and the AM pIt is UKC. There are many breeds with similar appearance and backround ie: Dogo Argento. When we read of attacks the phrase pit bull is used with great ease but the dog in question is really a mutt. If I recal as of a couple of years ago there were no deaths attributed to registered dogs. In the early 20th century the Am Staff variety was known as a great family dog. Petey from the little rascals and the Buster Brown dogs are 2 examples.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
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05/07/2008 8:01 AM Alert 

Both arguments are correct:

It is about the training first. Any dog has the potential to attack and even kill if it is not trained properly but certain dogs have a higher chance of biting as well as a higher tendency to cause serious damage and even death. Just the facts-

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

Much like the gun argument:

Guns don't kill - people do-  True but the odds increase based on the gun that is used.  If you are shot by a .357 there is higher chance to die than by a .22  if all other factors are the same.

 

In either case the owner is liable. Someone having more dogs than the county allows and the HOA allows should be reported. If not,  you are then saying it is okay. If my neighbor told me he had agressive dogs I would tell him- "I have a gun- Your dogs makes an agressive move towards my family and you will no longer have an agressive dog to worry about!"


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05/07/2008 10:47 PM Alert 
i agree to an extent that it is also training from the owners. however, you get irresponsible breeder after another who know nothing about breeding and that is why you keep getting the aggressive pits. just like hip problems in labs. people who shouldn't be breeding, do so and so it goes down the family tree that labs have hip problems. responisble breeders know this, thus only breeding dogs that don't have those problems. just like breeding out the aggression in pits. i still do have a very hard time when i see one loose in my community though. i will be the first to get inside! a pit attacked my dog for no reason a few years ago. i was terrified. and i would absolutely report the guy w/5 dogs. i'd hate to be his neighbor.

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05/08/2008 9:53 AM Alert 

First, check with your association. I believe there may be some restrictions on how many dogs you can have in your house. 

Second, most homeowner's insurance companies do not insure houses that have certains dogs (pit bulls, wolfdogs, etc are banned by some).  Those that do have special riers (very expensive) covering these dogs.  Don't know what you can do about this, but I would start with the HOA and have them send a letter inquiring about the status of the dogs and to request a copy of the HO policy to ensure he has the appropriate riders.

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05/11/2008 9:45 PM Alert 
Actually they did a study that showes that pitbulls are not the most to bite. They do more harm because there jaws are stronger however german shepards and chows and sharpais (howeverit is spelt) have aggression alot. I own a pit well she is mixed with lab and yes she go the dumb end of that deal however my little shitzu kicks her but all the time, she is a lovable big girl. People own them not to feel tough but to have a great compainon. I love pit bulls I do agree that some are bad however it is usually the owners who are the idoits! Pit bulls have a lock jaw bit which means when they bit down they can lock there jaw causing major damage other dogs let go and that is why people can get out of the situation easier and that is why those bites dont make the news. Pits dont need to be banned however owners should have to have a license or something to own one. I would defenitly call on your neighbor because it is not your problem that he has dogs that he can not control you should be able to take your dogs out side, why does this guy think he owns the street. This is what I mean by idiot owners and this is why his dogs are bad!
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05/12/2008 5:01 AM Alert 
I could care less what kind of mutt people have... if your pit gets loose and makes a move towards me or my family.. chances are it will end up dead..

...and don't expect any sympathy from me if your pit mauls your kiddies... You'll be just another "but he was a sweet dog" statistic...and that blood will be on your own shoulders... i would hate to have to live with that..

I've had pits in the past.. once I had children they went away.. sure, i agree they are great dogs.. but I didn't want the chance of something happening to my kids.. their history is always there.. pits were bred for a purpose and no amount of domestication will ever fully get that out..

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05/12/2008 7:54 PM Alert 
Posted By drummer72 on 05/03/2008 8:04 PM
Those that own pitbulls own them ,to feel tough.
It's the only way the can increase their self esteem.



I don't own a pitbull to feel tough. you obviously do NOT know much about them. they happen to be very loyal and loving. I don't care what any one says, but ANY DOG CAN BITE!!!!  every one always wants to put the pitbulls on the spot and say that their all agressive. Learn more about them before you just run you mouth.

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05/13/2008 7:32 PM Alert 

I don't know if any of you live in Maricopa Meadows Elite Division, but we have had pit bulls roaming the neighborhood with no collars, tags or owners. I recently walked out to put my 2 year old in the car and three of them ran up into our garage. The first thing I did  was grab my son and a driver out of a golf bag. They  cowared at first, but kept coming toward us. I opened the door to go back in the house and one ran inside. I tried to walk out to the car and one started barking and moved closer, I smacked it as hard as I could on its snout with the golf club. It whipmered and turned to run. I was lucky it did not keep coming. As a dog lover I felt horrible, but I did not know what else to do. I called the police and asked about animal control but was told there was no local agency that took care of situations like  having a pitbull stuck in your house. I don't want anyone telling me what type of dog I am allowed to own, I would just like to know who to call.

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05/13/2008 8:40 PM Alert 
Pinal County Animal Care and Control has jurisdiction: 520-509-3555


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05/13/2008 9:24 PM Alert 
wow that would be scarry but I agree with pitbull lover, learn more about them. By the way any dog can smell fear and when someone sees a dog like a pit they get afraid and the dog reacts. I know it is hard for people not to bee affraid but if you are in a situation try beeing really nice and reach with in to not be afraid. Wil most dogs if you attack them they will keep comming at you!
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05/14/2008 6:55 AM Alert 
Posted By edforall on 05/13/2008 7:32 PM

I don't know if any of you live in Maricopa Meadows Elite Division, but we have had pit bulls roaming the neighborhood with no collars, tags or owners. I recently walked out to put my 2 year old in the car and three of them ran up into our garage. The first thing I did  was grab my son and a driver out of a golf bag. They  cowared at first, but kept coming toward us. I opened the door to go back in the house and one ran inside. I tried to walk out to the car and one started barking and moved closer, I smacked it as hard as I could on its snout with the golf club. It whipmered and turned to run. I was lucky it did not keep coming. As a dog lover I felt horrible, but I did not know what else to do. I called the police and asked about animal control but was told there was no local agency that took care of situations like  having a pitbull stuck in your house. I don't want anyone telling me what type of dog I am allowed to own, I would just like to know who to call.

 

OMG dude! That is insane! I'm so glad you and your son are ok. Kinda reminds me of the movie Kujo...How did you get it out of your house?


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05/14/2008 7:01 AM Alert 
Posted By Mommystacey on 05/13/2008 9:24 PM
wow that would be scarry but I agree with pitbull lover, learn more about them. By the way any dog can smell fear and when someone sees a dog like a pit they get afraid and the dog reacts. I know it is hard for people not to bee affraid but if you are in a situation try beeing really nice and reach with in to not be afraid. Wil most dogs if you attack them they will keep comming at you!

 

 

 

Last weekend I was jogging and came upon a stray German Sheppard mix. I was a little afraid at first because he seemed a little freaked out. I'm sure he could tell I was afraid. Anyway, several cars stopped to try to catch it, including a police officer and I tried to coax it to me so I could stop it from running in the street. The dog ran AWAY from us. It didn't prey on my fear.


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05/14/2008 1:17 PM Alert 

This again? Sigh.

First, "Pit Bull" is not a breed. It is an umbrella term used to describe three breeds that share some similar characteristics: the American Pit Bull Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Most people are unable to correctly identify any of these breeds on sight. (Don't believe me? Try it yourself! http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthebull/findpitbull_v3.html)

Second, these breeds were NOT bred to be human aggressive. On the contrary, they were bred to be aggressive with other dogs and docile with their human handlers, who often had to come between them during dogfights.

Third, statistics like "pit bulls are responsible for most of the deaths [resulting from] dog bites" fail to take into account several factors, including

1) the relative population of the breed (if Pit Bulls are more prevalent in a population than Dalmations, then there are likely to be more recorded incidences of aggression by Pit Bulls than Dalmations, regardless of which breed is more "inherently" aggressive);

2) media bias, related to the controversial nature of so-called "bully breeds" (even supposedly scientific studies are really just surveys of media reports rather than consistently maintained records, which tend not to exist anyway -- case in point, the CDC stopped tracking which dogs were involved in fatal attacks after 1998, as they were "no longer conisdered to be of discernable value" for all of these reasons!); and

3) owner bias, insofar that less responsible owners or owners who want to foster aggression in their dogs may be drawn to different breeds.


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