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DesertNewbie
Posts:531
 | | 10/23/2007 8:11 PM |
 Alert | Posted By charann on 10/23/2007 9:50 AM
Desert,
I find it truly hard to believe never heard of HOAs.
Char,
I understand how you might find it hard to believe since we are from different areas of the country, but believe it. Why would I take my time to post it here if it wasn't true?
I have lived in the midwest (3 different states) and the Pacific Northwest (2 states). I had never heard of HOAs until I moved here and when I talk to my friends and family back home about it, they always say the same thing...."WHAT? ARE YOU SERIOUS?"
Posted By Tempting Fait1 on 10/23/2007 10:09 AM
And if you had kept your yard up like you should would you still not know about the HOA??
*****boggles the mind*****
LOL...yeah right. It was ONE WEED and it was a pretty little weed at that. I teared up as I killed it and threw it away. It wasn't bothering anyone. Actually, without the warning letters, I would know about HOAs because of this forum.
I also got a lame-o-gram when my trash can was sitting outside of the garage door...ON TRASH DAY! My husband rolled it up from the curb, but we only have 1 garage door opener. He was going to put it inside the garage, but got a phone call then forgot. Two hours later I came from work, opened the garage door and put the can away. The day after next, I got the warning letter. That's when I really came to the realization of what a colossal crock of crap it is to live in the land of HOAs.
Thank you, Rabbit. | | | |
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| | njparks
Posts:201
| | 10/23/2007 10:59 PM |
Alert | | Getting back to the original question...Am I only one of two people who think it's not a crime to have a BBQ on the front porch? There are pools and kids and dogs and maybe the backyard faces the West and it's just too darn hot to grill out there! To me it's not a big deal or a real eyesore. | |
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| | LindaT
Posts:56
| | 10/24/2007 6:56 AM |
Alert | | Seems like the majority of residents do think that having a BBQ set PERMANENTLY in the front entrance to a house is an eyesore. It is not a matter of kids, dogs, and, especially now, because of hot weather. In fact, this is only one of several things that are going on that we think should be adressed. Like, it would be nice if the owners realized that their dogs cry at night and do not let us sleep (poor animals are outside 24/7). We are always careful to make sure that our dogs do not bark or cause any inconveniences to others, and I am sure that they can hear it too. So, the BBQ in the front porch and the water hose permanently thown across the yard/driveway are just examples of the lack of concern for others. Plus, it does make the community look dumpy. | | | |
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| | darin45
Posts:146
| | 10/24/2007 7:02 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By njparks on 10/23/2007 10:59 PM
Getting back to the original question...Am I only one of two people who think it's not a crime to have a BBQ on the front porch? </div>
Yes.... and it's Ghetto if left out longer than 1 day!
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"...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | charann
Posts:210
| | 10/24/2007 9:59 AM |
Alert | OK...So, I did a little search, cause Im at work and trying to make myself look busy, plus boss is out today, so no one is watching me...hehe. Anyways, all 50 states have HOAs and they have been around since the mid-1960's...so again, I am sorry, maybe you never lived in an HOA community, but I do find it hard to believe that you never ever heard of an HOA. But, supposeding you did, cause hey, i guess things happen, did you never ask your landlord if the community had any rules or regulations as a whole? I mean, if you move into what is obviously a community, you had to have realized that the community would have rules. So personally, even if you never knew of an HOA, there is no excuse not to find out if the community you are moving into has rules and regulations.
OK, so back to the BBQ, I absolutely agree that it is an eyesore. would be different if they brought it out for a saturday night cookout and then put it back in the backyard afterwards, but it's been there since they moved in. Now, here's the thing too...it's not exactly that big of a grill, so unless they have a lot of junk in their backyard, that thing should be fit nicely in the backyard!
Seriously, we all paid for our homes, whether we bought or rented, these are our homes and mortagage/rent isn't cheap. We need to take pride in our homes, land, this is our property. For many of us, this is our first home as an owner, so to have some people not care, it is crazy. I seriously can't wait till we get to be the HOA. Maybe then, things will actually change. Right now, the HOA won't return emails or voicemails, so it's almost like, what's the point?? | | | |
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| | Rabbit
Posts:250
| | 10/24/2007 10:48 AM |
Alert | | are you guys worrying about the bbq because its an eyesore, or because it will lower proprety values? | |
"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door." | |
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|  | darin45
Posts:146
| | 10/24/2007 11:25 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Rabbit on 10/24/2007 10:48 AM
are you guys worrying about the bbq because its an eyesore, or because it will lower proprety values?</div>
both... | |
"...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | Rabbit
Posts:250
| | 10/24/2007 11:38 AM |
Alert | ok...worrying about both.
1. the barbeque is not going to affect your property values one iota compared to what the market is doing right now, all on its own. do you really think that the barbeque is going to impact anything, when they are selling brand new houses for 20-30k less than they were 2 months ago? i think worrying about a barbeque is rather silly.
2. as far as it being ugly and an eyesore, im more inclined to agree with this point. however...while it is everyones community, it is still their house. there needs to be compromise...which is what the CC&Rs are for. Personally, i would talk to any of my neighbors before calling up the HOA or management company and complaining, but if its forbidden by the CC&Rs, its an easy fix.
i am not trying to attack anyones opinion, insult anyone, or be a jerk as happens far too often on this forum. just offering my views. | |
"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door." | |
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 10/24/2007 11:52 AM |
Alert | "I also got a lame-o-gram when my trash can was sitting outside of the garage door...ON TRASH DAY! My husband rolled it up from the curb, but we only have 1 garage door opener. He was going to put it inside the garage, but got a phone call then forgot. Two hours later I came from work, opened the garage door and put the can away. The day after next, I got the warning letter. That's when I really came to the realization of what a colossal crock of crap it is to live in the land of HOAs."
All I read here is: We get distracted with short attention spans and then leave things like our dumpster sitting out front of our house, we complain when someone lets us know that we are supposed to keep the can out of sight, even though we know that its supposed to be, and dont acknowledge that we made a mistake in leaving the can out, because we forgot. We cannot just make sure to be more careful about it in the future.
A BBQ is both an eyesore and a property value issue because those are both the same thing. An eyesore in our community means fewer people move here, means our neighboors sell for less, means we cant sell for as much, means that our property value goes down. No one said dont BBQ outfront, no one said not to use your front yard if your back is not landscaped (its supposed to be anyways), all anyone wants to know is why it has to remain in the front. Use it, then put it away.
I would even love the idea of having porch parties, to include the use of BBQ's, seeing everyone milling around, drinking a cold one would be great, but then I would like to think we can go back to grilling our animal carcasses in the back yard, so that coyotes and cats and dogs are at least discouraged from hanging out around the grime and grissle these things drip and ooze all over your front yard.
They are not sanitary things to have sitting around the neighborhood, put it behind your walls so that we can all get along. Temperature should not be an issue at least for the remainder of the year. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/24/2007 6:38 PM |
Alert | Char. I am not what you call "city folk". The towns I have lived in have usually been slightly smaller than Maricopa, with the exception of Portland, OR. Now, perhaps Portland had HOAs when I lived there, but I didn't live in one and therefore, had no knowledge of them. To answer your question about asking my landlord about rules before I moved in...if I was unaware such places with rules existed, why would I have asked that?
CBJ, you couldn't be more off base. I wasn't "complaining" about anything. I was just explaining why I think the entire concept is stupid. I didn't write the HOA and tell them to kiss my behind...I didn't call my landlord and question why he was so ignorant as to buy a home here. I simply laughed at the ignorance and never made the mistake of leaving my trash can by my garage door for that LIFE ALTERING two hours, ever again. Had the trash can been there for a day or more...or even sitting out for two hours on a day that wasn't trash day, I could perhaps see taking the time and expense of sending the letter, but frankly, there is nothing in this world you can offer that will convince me that this wasn't one of the largest acts of stupidity I have ever witnessed.
The only reason I am even posting in this thread is to point out the people with the BBQ may not know it shouldn't be in front, per the rules, and a little NEIGHBORLY DISCUSSION goes a long way. Don't be the quintessential tattle-tale. Nobody likes that person. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/24/2007 6:48 PM |
Alert | What if I think your car is butt ugly and lowering property values because it's an eyesore that make people cruise by looking for homes to buy, and just keep on cruising. Do you have to sell it if I complain?
By the way, I don't like the color on your bush either. It's ugly. Your house is green and the bush is pink. Can't you color coordinate that better to attract more buyers?
Don't even get me started on that ugly rug you have at your front door and your kids aren't that cute either! Make them play in the back, please.
LOL Even having this conversation is surreal to me. I can think of a hundred bigger and better things to focus energy on. | | | |
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| | njparks
Posts:201
| | 10/24/2007 10:33 PM |
Alert | | Pick fights with your neighbors carefully. It behooves you to get along with them. | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/25/2007 7:03 AM |
Alert | Good advice, Nancy.
But the problem is, most of the people in this thread won't be picking a fight with the neighbor because like so many other threads in other categories on this forum, they come here to complain or call the HOA to complain, but really do nothing about anything personally. I just don't see why these folks with the BBQ can't be assumed to be very nice people, until proven otherwise, and have one of their neighbors knock the door for a polite, friendly, "welcome to the neighborhood" and "oh, by the way" chat. I get that we no longer live in the Leave It To Beaver days, but the phrase "Try a little friendliness" will aways ring true. | | | |
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| | LindaT
Posts:56
| | 10/25/2007 7:52 AM |
Alert | DN,
At no time did I say that the owners are not good people, have not met them yet. Not because we don't mingle with other people in our immediate area, we are very good friends with our neighbors, as well as we have met other families too. However, the fact that we have experienced sleepless nights due to their dogs makes me think that concern for neighbors is not a high priority. Says a lot about a person how you treat others.
Also, why should I have to go to someone elses house and tell them about it?. No matter how nicely you say it, it will still be taken negatively. I rather have the HOA tell me, than have a neighbor say it. Not to mention that it is not my responsibility to do so. I don't need anyone telling me to care for my front yard, make sure our dogs don't bark, keep the level noise down in consideration to others living close by, so why should I have to do that to others. It's common sense and we are all adults.
I love living in a community and have met some of our neighbors, and feel fortunate that we have been able to purchase a home. We are planning BBQ's with some of our neighbors (backyard, of course. lol) now that the weather is getting better. So we are far from being unfriendly and grouches. Anyway, this is my last post on this subject. Have a good holiday!!! | | | |
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 10/25/2007 10:21 AM |
Alert | DN,
The main thing there is that you should look at the HOA as a neighbor letting you know, the HOA is an association of your neighbors, we dont always have the time, or the energy, or perhaps we are just worried about someone attacking us, so we let the HOA know whats going on, they let you know whats up via a notice. So instead of hating your neighbor you can both complain about the HOA to eachother and have it be some imaginary third person.
I still have to say that all of that "life altering" blah blah is still just more of you not taking responsibility. The HOA doesnt know it was only for two hours (personally dont beleive it anyways) but that is what they are there for, I prefer that they do be quick about it, that way its fair and I dont have to sit around moaning about it. An HOA that moves quickly is a good thing.
It would be nice if we had a section in the HOA that says that you have to keep your, or my butt ugly car in my garage, or behind my RV gate. But now you are just being rediculous. We do have colors for homes as part of the HOA if I am not mistaken to make sure that at least the houses look ok. I would hope that people consider their landscaping, but I am open to seeing any color of the rainbow, nature is beautiful in all its forms after all, just dont paint your house purple or yellow, cuz that is something I cannot put up with.
Lastly you miss the boat on this point, we dont want to have to confront our neighbors personally. We dont want to have to tell you to put the BBQ in the back, we still want to be friends, and we dont want to have the resentment amongst our neighbors, that is exactly why and HOA exists. I know you dont understand an HOA, but its not there to be the police, its there to be the middle man that keeps neighbors acting like neighbors. You say 'hey by the way' and the next day your car is egged, thats reality. | | | |
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| | darin45
Posts:146
| | 10/25/2007 10:52 AM |
Alert | Dont worry guys, DN is just bitter that the HOA told them to put their trash can away, so to even mentioning HOA to them, pisses them off...
...and comparing rugs, plants and kids is complety absurd. Next time compare apples to apples please... and for a trashy car, YES that can be an eyesore. Noboby wants to come home daily and see a busted up car on the street leaking oil and crap into the street. And for some of the communities in Tortosa, they still have a ton of lots vacant, they need to sell and I'm not sure about you, but before plopping down $$ for a house, people are gonna scout the community and if it looks like HOA is a joke, they will not buy. I wouldnt! This aint Sanford and Son....
...and DN, as Tortosa becomes more populated, the HOA will start enforcing rules (THANK GOD!) and they are gonna start handing out MORE notices ($) for offenses, so if you DONT like that, you might want to early terminate your rental agreement.
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| | garden glow
Posts:698
| | 10/25/2007 8:55 PM |
Alert | darin...you must live near me...garbage pail has been in front of the house for 4 weeks or more...now..stinking..because their "car" in the street blocks MWD truck to pick it up ( we ain't on the east coast where they actually have to get out of the truck to dump the cans..LOL )
And as far as the leaking OIL..my neighbor is SO conscientious..he threw down some "kitty liter" to solve the problem...... | |
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