Colgate
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 | | 01/22/2008 6:41 PM |
 Alert | | I can't believe how every intersection is begining to lift and get eaten away! What a mess at Wild Horse Pass and 347!!! Also at the 238 and 347!!! So much for our tax $$$$$$$$$$ | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 01/22/2008 8:28 PM |
Alert | | There are a few spots where there is some wear, but I think that had to do with construction vehicles. I don't think it's getting any worse. The rest of 347 is fine. It's a nice quiet drive for 99% of the trip. | |
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Colgate
Posts:602
| | 01/22/2008 10:12 PM |
Alert | | Yes it is pretty smooth, however, I really noticed the top coat coming off where there is high traffic areas intersecting! We are only talking a couple of months since completion and they are coming apart already! | |
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alanf
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| | 01/23/2008 6:44 AM |
Alert | | I wonder if it coming up because they put it down at lower than recommended temperatures. | | | |
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Bob J
Posts:117
| | 01/23/2008 8:39 AM |
Alert | | Whatever it is, it was a crappy job, pure and simple. We all saw the crappy job they were doing every day as they were doing it. (Well, maybe not EVERDAY, there were many days when there was no one around doing anything) A job that should have taken a couple of months at the most, and it still isn't finished. You'd expect this in a third world country, such as our neighbors to the south. | | | |
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PKMet
Posts:243
| | 01/23/2008 9:45 AM |
Alert | | I'm sure they'll be shutting down traffic during the morning and afternoon rush hours to fix this soon. What a comedy of errors this project was. | |
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caveman
Posts:1027
| | 01/23/2008 10:48 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 01/22/2008 8:28 PM
There are a few spots where there is some wear, but I think that had to do with construction vehicles. I don't think it's getting any worse. The rest of 347 is fine. It's a nice quiet drive for 99% of the trip.</div>
I agree. I have not seen any locations that have torn up road except for where they have done further construction with heavy construction vehicles. | | | |
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Bob J
Posts:117
| | 01/23/2008 11:11 AM |
Alert | | There are several places where the road is starting to have torn up spots that are probably due to the coating was too thin. And there are no signs of further construction (with or without heavy construction vehicles). Maybe you were driving too fast to notice them. | | | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3036
| | 01/23/2008 1:11 PM |
Alert | Naw... the 347 is Jacked UP!
The right lane is crap! It's pretty bumpy in places. This is really going to make us look good when the NYG and guess come into the area.
"Oh honey, they really need to fix these roads..."
What a mess at Wild Horse Pass and 347
that's for sure. I can't believe how messed up it is..
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 01/23/2008 1:18 PM |
Alert | Posted By Bob J on 01/23/2008 11:11 AM
And there are no signs of further construction (with or without heavy construction vehicles). Maybe you were driving too fast to notice them.
So the elongated left turn lane at Maricopa Rd and 347 just magically appeared overnight? No, that was constructed by heavy vehicles, after the rubberized asphalt was put down.
I also don't see any damage at the Rinker plant, Casa Blanca or Riggs. | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3036
| | 01/23/2008 1:31 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 01/23/2008 1:18 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Bob J on 01/23/2008 11:11 AM
And there are no signs of further construction (with or without heavy construction vehicles). Maybe you were driving too fast to notice them. </div>
So the elongated left turn lane at Maricopa Rd and 347 just magically appeared overnight? No, that was <i>constructed</i> by <i>heavy vehicles, after</i> the rubberized asphalt was put down.
I also don't see any damage at the Rinker plant, Casa Blanca or Riggs.</div>
What does it matter.... IT IS JACK UP NOW!<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/tongue2.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Tongue' align='absmiddle'> | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 01/23/2008 1:40 PM |
Alert | | Job security for the pavers. | | | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:212
| | 01/23/2008 1:40 PM |
Alert | | So here goes... the road in several spots is failing for several reasons, all of which are fixable. They were not the fault of poor workmanship; they are the fault of the location of those particular spots. At the Maricopa road intersection, the overlay (or friction course) was laid down at a temperature not perfect for the asphalt. Then traffic was allowed on it too soon (because ADOT is trying to make people in Maricopa happy). Then you enter into this... when a vehicle is in motion, the weight of the vehicle is constant on all four tires and distributed evenly on the road. The road never feels the full weight of a vehicle unless it is stopped. For this reason, most "rutting" is found at intersections where vehicles are stopped. At that particular spot in the road, when people are approaching the intersection from the I10 and someone pulls out in front of you, you hit the brakes and all of the weight of your vehicle is forced down into the pavement. When the rapid downward force dislodges the coarse aggregate from the binder, a small hole occurs. This continues until it's a large hole, and that is called raveling. This is why when you approach the intersection the damage is just before Maricopa road, and on the other side going back towards the I10 where vehicles stop and wait for their chance to enter traffic. It's not a design flaw, or poor workmanship, it's an engineering fact, and unfortunately it happens often. It wasn't an attack on the City (for Sinbad) of Maricopa. It happens. It's very fixable, and will be fixed when they finish the intersection. | |
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RichTig
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| | 01/23/2008 1:45 PM |
Alert | Then this information that is readily available now, should have been known then.
It is a design flaw. | | | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:212
| | 01/23/2008 1:55 PM |
Alert | | Wrong. Do not speak of that which you don't understand. | |
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 01/23/2008 2:12 PM |
Alert | So,it as designed correctly and still happened?
Sounds like it was designed wrong.
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 01/23/2008 2:15 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By RichTig on 01/23/2008 1:45 PM
Then this information that is readily available now, should have been known then.
It is a design flaw.</div>
The citizens whined and complained when the off-peak work interfered with their commutes. So the work schedule was adjusted. Then the citizens whined and complained when it all wouldn't be done until spring '08. And now the citizens are complaining because the stuff is coming off. Why is it coming off? Because of all of the complaining, it was applied at temperatures it was not designed for.
Design flaw? No. Too much complaining? Yes. Short memories? Yes. | |
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alanf
Posts:1462
| | 01/23/2008 2:26 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 01/23/2008 2:15 PM Posted By RichTig on 01/23/2008 1:45 PM
Then this information that is readily available now, should have been known then.
It is a design flaw. The citizens whined and complained when the off-peak work interfered with their commutes. So the work schedule was adjusted. Then the citizens whined and complained when it all wouldn't be done until spring '08. And now the citizens are complaining because the stuff is coming off. Why is it coming off? Because of all of the complaining, it was applied at temperatures it was not designed for. Design flaw? No. Too much complaining? Yes. Short memories? Yes.
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RichTig
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| | 01/23/2008 2:34 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 01/23/2008 2:15 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By RichTig on 01/23/2008 1:45 PM
Then this information that is readily available now, should have been known then.
It is a design flaw.</div>
The citizens whined and complained when the off-peak work interfered with their commutes. So the work schedule was adjusted. Then the citizens whined and complained when it all wouldn't be done until spring '08. And now the citizens are complaining because the stuff is coming off. Why is it coming off? Because of all of the complaining, it was applied at temperatures it was not designed for.
Design flaw? No. Too much complaining? Yes. Short memories? Yes.</div>
Then they should have waited until the temperature was right.
It was a poor decision to override the temperature requirements. | | | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3036
| | 01/23/2008 2:54 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 01/23/2008 2:15 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By RichTig on 01/23/2008 1:45 PM
Then this information that is readily available now, should have been known then.
It is a design flaw.</div>
The citizens whined and complained when the off-peak work interfered with their commutes. So the work schedule was adjusted. Then the citizens whined and complained when it all wouldn't be done until spring '08. And now the citizens are complaining because the stuff is coming off. Why is it coming off? Because of all of the complaining, it was applied at temperatures it was not designed for.
Design flaw? No. Too much complaining? Yes. Short memories? Yes.</div>
LOL...WHAT EVER!!!!!!!!
It is still breaking up and the people who put this stuff down should have had a better plan than this. Why put it down at the wrong temp just to have it break up later?
Answer: because they don't know what they are doing and tried to get it done as fast as possible. You get what you pay for.. cheap is Cheap!
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