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Devil Dog
Posts:405
 | | 01/21/2008 12:49 AM |
 Alert | I have be to three Board meetings since I have moved here last April. I have notice that there is a hand full of homeowners that DO NOT HAVE THE BEST INTEREST for MM showing up at the meeeting. These homeowners have a bone to pick against the Board, I'm not sure what made them go over-board. They just don't like the Board. We wasted more time - seeing who had the the Bigger Ones - over small issuses (Permits, Rights, ECT...). "Look" I don't like HOA no more than the other homeowner in MM. All these Bickering needs to Stop! We need to work together with the issues on hand. Bickering will solve nothing. For what I have seen, so far, the Board is doing at good job. I have seen worst HOA and better ones, but, we have this one. The board is trying to find a way to keep cost down and as long they are trying they will get my vote.
To the hand full of jerks and you know how you are - If you don't like it here MM move the Hell out.<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/mad.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Mad' align='absmiddle'>
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| | buther
Posts:28
| | 01/21/2008 9:09 AM |
Alert | Devil Dog,
Those handful of jerks are the ones making sure no one on the BOARD is abusing their position, as we did with the Vice President along with the Property Manager concealing information to a Board Member and Homeowners. The Vice President did confirm she asked the Property Manager not to disclose information that we as Homeowners have a right to know.
And we will not get the HELL OUT of the Meadows, but your input was not appreciated.
As always, I am disappointed when statements are made and you have no idea what is really going on.
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| | chrchrw
Posts:8
| | 01/21/2008 11:07 AM |
Alert | I think what this boils down to is:
The Buther's and the other couple are enraged that they did not get elected to the board so they are going to nit pick everything the board does to try to call them on it. They are enraged that they cannot make the community the way they want it (without considering the rest of the community). They think they are speaking for all of us when the rest of the people at the meetings just laugh when they are being out of control. This past Saturday, the Buthers were completely out of control. They would not even give the board a chance to answer or even B.S. any of their questions because they would consistently over talk them. It would be a different story if the Buthers had big issues to complain about. Intead, they only have petty issues that they seem to sit at home and dwell on. Any and all issues should be brought to the attention of the board, but shouting and not allowing for answers is highly unproductive. It is 100% irrational and out of control. If other home owners that were not at the meeting last Saturday were there, I am sure they would not want to attend any more. I have only missed 2 meetings since the beginning, and I am thinking of not attending anymore because the board has a difficult time to conduct business.
One part I particularly thought was funny was when lady Buther accused the board of wasting 45 minutes over the discussion of the reclaimed water pipe install for the lake when the Buthers consumed 3/4 of the 45 minutes with questions over the project. Most of the questions were relevant but why accuse the board??
The "hidden information" or "failure to disclose information" that the Buthers talk about are not even issues worth to shout about. Even if the info that they discussed at this past meeting was "hidden," they are still such small issues that, again, do not need to end meetings because they are out of control. If there are other issues, worth discussing, then maybe they could enlighten us.
The way I see it I elected the board members to take care of the HOA. They are doing a great job and I just like to join the meetings to hear of the progress and or the new happenings in our community. One issue I see with our HOA is getting the web page updated and even used, but there is no need to shout over it. We discussed it, they realized it, and it will probably be fixed like everything else they have taken care of. The other issue is the parvo virus, which is basically out of our control. The control lies on the dog owners to get their dog vaccinated as even stated in the city news of 85239 when it was first reported. I learned the hard way with my puppy when I lived in Glendale 17 years ago. My puppy got the virus from our backyard. We never even took her to the park.
Anyways, I am sure there will be plenty of back lash from Buthers on this reply but they are only a couple of people that think they speak for our community. They 100% do not speak for me!!! | | | |
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| | buther
Posts:28
| | 01/21/2008 3:09 PM |
Alert | | Were you at the meeting weeks...... | | | |
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| | chrchrw
Posts:8
| | 01/21/2008 3:12 PM |
Alert | Buther,
Please borrow the tape from linlaw to see what you look like when you are out of control and then maybe you can re-think your actions in the future. | | | |
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| | buther
Posts:28
| | 01/21/2008 3:49 PM |
Alert | Weeks,
If you didn't like what was going on sitting right behind us why didn't you contribute your point of view on the issues onhand and defend your friends on the BOARD.
Please don't waste your time telling us we are bitter that a previous BOARD MEMBER was not elected. We are not trying to run or control anything but getting involved like it has been mention in the past. | | | |
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|  | chrchrw
Posts:8
| | 01/21/2008 4:10 PM |
Alert | I believe it is better to let people who are out of control and irrational to dig their own hole so that people see who they really are. As the community sees this, your credibility will be gone for your election in the future. I do not want irrational people on our board. I am sure that people who sided with the board would have been over talked by you as you were over talking the board the whole time.
Please be calm in the future to allow the board to speak to your questions which will promote a productive meeting. I do not understand why the board needs to be attacked over petty issues.
By the way, are you searching through proprietary information to guess who chrchrw is? | | | |
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| | MrPeaceful
Posts:12
| | 01/21/2008 5:24 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Devil Dog on 01/21/2008 12:49 AM
To the hand full of jerks and you know how you are - If you don't like it here MM move the Hell out.
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Whooo I think you are talking out of your doggy orifice there, Devil Dog!
Anyone who bothers to show up to htese BORING BORed meetings is to be commended! To call them jerks is just ridiculous! I think you are just spewing flame bate here!
I think we should all be glad that SOMONE keeps track of what is going on and whether it is handled in ALL of our interests and not just one Board memebrs personal interest! The B family have contribute many hours of service to this community and their caring and vigilance has saved us all a lot of money from mismanagled fees from the property mgmt company as well as misguided decisions made by fellow Board memebrs run amuck with power. I for one am mighty glad they haev given us all the benfit of their time and opinions!
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| | MrPeaceful
Posts:12
| | 01/21/2008 5:27 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By chrchrw on 01/21/2008 11:07 AM
The "hidden information" or "failure to disclose information" that the Buthers talk about are not even issues worth to shout about. </div>
I do not agree with yeropinion, chrchrw. Here is why: The Board members are elected by those of us (few and hard to find) that bother to vote. All board members owe it to the homeowners & each other to govern and manage MM in total honesty and openness. A particular Board member was asked for paperwork regarding use of our park. That Board member (for whatever their own agenda was) chose to withold that info from mr b, who was then a fellow Board member! This is not a trivial or minor gripe - it is flagrant abuse of power. This offending Board memebr then used their position to influence the prop mgr to also withold the info. Inexcusable and grounds for both to be removed in my opinion. Apparnatly others felt the same at the meeting - IT IS NOT JUST TWO FAMILIES, IT WAS TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE THERE. Apparantly you did not agree. That is your progitive. The vote was taken and the VP is out. | | | |
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| | MrPeaceful
Posts:12
| | 01/21/2008 5:34 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Devil Dog on 01/21/2008 12:49 AM
I have notice that there is a hand full of homeowners that DO NOT HAVE THE BEST INTEREST for MM showing up at the meeeting. These homeowners have a bone to pick against the Board, I'm not sure what made them go over-board.
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I do not agree with yor opinion either, DevilDog. Here is my view:
I think there is a nhandful of homeowners that DO nOT hAVE The Best Interest for MM showing up at the meeting. They do not have all of the information about what certain members of the 2007 Board did as far as abuse of power in ther positions and breaking of protocl, But they are frinds with some of the Baord members so they are opposed to anyone voicing a opinion that questions those Board members behavior.
You see it yer way and I see it mine. Will we ever be able to sit down and listen to each other without yelling? Will ew ever be able to mvoe forward and work together to make this a better community?
I think there is one Board member that makes the most problems and they have now been removed so maybe ther is smooth sailign ahed?
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| | photogirl
Posts:18
| | 01/21/2008 9:09 PM |
Alert | | Let me understand this correctly. A handful of people showed up to the HOA meeting and voted out the Vice President? So if I don't like someone on the board, or think they are "abusing their power" I can get some of my neighbors together, go to the meeting and have an impromptu recall vote and kick that person out of office? Something sounds fishy here. If that was possible don't you think that every HOA in America would be playing musical chairs with their boards every meeting and then nothing would ever get done? I think you need to check your facts about this as it does not sound to be correct. | | | |
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| | Devil Dog
Posts:405
| | 01/22/2008 3:49 AM |
Alert | To Buthurt and Mrpeaceful
chrchrw hit the nail right on the head. You guys can "SPIN IT" all you want and how you want. Seems like if you don't get your ways, you throw a fit - just like "Little Kids". Stop the Madness over small issues. Conduct yourselves in a dignified manner. I might not know all the issues on hand and in detail - But I do know out of control people. SEE YOU AT THE EXIT MEETING! | |
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| | Denna
Posts:0
| | 01/23/2008 1:03 PM |
Alert | I personally feel that this thread makes it very scary for anyone to post in this MM forum. It seems like these home owners with their own agenda would be willing to cause a lot of problems for people who don't comply. We elected a board. If a few bad apples start coming in to complain and somehow get on the board in the future, woe to anyone who needs access to the board to get things done with their homes. I am very fearful of seemingly evil neighbors like these Buthers with personal agendas or vendettas against others.
I think the board should create rules that have to be followed during board meetings. Failure to comply (talking out of turn, shouting, sidetracking the meeting) would get people removed from the meeting. Repeated infractions would remove their ability to attend in the future and force them to only communicate through proxy. If the homeowners continue to attempt to attend after getting bounced, then the board would use association money to hire a security guard for the board meetings to remove people acting out. We live in a civilization!
Home owners have a right to attend, they do not have a right to disrupt meetings and spew their death vengence upon others. You don't see me or my parents coming to board meetings to complain about Big Cow do you? | | | |
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