jak
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 | | 01/19/2008 2:54 PM |
 Alert | from the Desert Cedars Homeowners Assoc. They not only increased our HOA fees, changed it to a monthly payment ..now they want the residents to approve a Special Assesment. How funny is that ? is there anybody who would actually vote to pay more money to a virtually ineffective HOA. In my opinion had the HOA board done their job in the first place -- make sure that all the homeowners had paid their dues in a prompt manner or bothered to find out why they couldn't pay and set up a workable payment schedule -- there wouldn't be a deficit.
And please, unless you can provide a tangible reason why the homeowners have to pay for the people who do not; (specifically with an increase in dues and the need for a special assesment) not the usual 'double speak' refrain from replying.
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Java Lover
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| | 01/19/2008 3:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By jak on 01/19/2008 2:54 PM
In my opinion had the HOA board done their job in the first place -- make sure that all the homeowners had paid their dues in a prompt manner or bothered to find out why they couldn't pay and set up a workable payment schedule -- there wouldn't be a deficit.
And how do you propose they do this? Knock on every non paying homeowner door? Try to communicate with people who do not want to communicate with you? Do you not realize that there are legal issues involved, procedures that have to be followed?
a tangible reason why the homeowners have to pay for the people who do not
You bought a home in an HOA, bills have to get paid.
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Kukulcan
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| | 01/19/2008 3:23 PM |
Alert | | You are unrealistic. Unless I am mistaken, each homeowner in this community is an adult(s) and know they have to pay their bills, including that bill from the HOA. I am not happy about the special assessment, but will pay it. I suggest you direct your anger at those owners who have immaturely neglected their responsibility to our community, not the HOA. Besides, the elections for the Board are coming up, please put your name in for one of the positions, I will gladly vote for you since you have such a realistic view on how to handle the slackers. | | | |
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twostep23
Posts:1689
| | 01/19/2008 8:33 PM |
Alert | If you would like to be nominated as the dues police you can go around and try to collect. This is perfect example of "easier said than done".
Seriously though....you can not make people pay something that they can't or don't want to pay. We place liens on homeowners houses and have judgment awards that we've executed to the point of doing paycheck garnishments. Unfortunately we have a legal process that we have to go through. It can be lengthly at times. We finally got our legal answers on our trash issue sorted out. That has been in the works now since about summer.
The increase is not just because of people not paying....that does play a part in it but also remember that everything has gone up. I know that story has been spread all over the place but it's true. Desert Cedars is going onto it's third year and has never had an increase in dues.
You'll find a more lengthly discussion on this on our website www.desertcedarshoa.com. | |
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twostep23
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| | 01/19/2008 8:35 PM |
Alert | | Thanks Kukulcan and Java Lover. HOA Board can at times be a very lonely unlike position. Glad to welcome support. | |
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jak
Posts:61
| | 01/20/2008 7:01 AM |
Alert | Consumer collection is difficult to resolve for the simple reason : goods and services have been received.
So, the suggestion of 'dues police' and 'go around trying to collect' may have been a casual remark but it could just have been what was necessary in the beginning. To be effective in collection you need to know who you are dealing with and why they can't or won't pay.
Outside collection sources are expensive and don't always bring about the results you would want.
I understand dues need to be raised and special assesments need to be imposed for various reasons one of them being for those that did not pay and the monies that are owed.
However, I don't have to like it and I have the right to say so. And while I respect the opinion of others I would also expect them to do the same. | | | |
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navygurl
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| | 01/20/2008 8:43 AM |
Alert | | I agree that just because the HOA can't manage their money properly then why should we have to pay a "special assessment"? I have see very little done with this "social fee" that they are claiming and wasn't the point of the website to cut down on mailings, but just yesterday we got a 4 page mailing to remind us about the meeting. I don't mind paying my bills, but I am not going to vote to pay for someone else's incompetence. | | | |
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homeowner
Posts:31
| | 01/20/2008 12:10 PM |
Alert | | If you want to know if any of your neighbors are the ones not paying, go to the pinal county website, click on documents, the put desert cedars in the business block and you can see all of the liens that have been filed, and the names of the owners. | | | |
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twostep23
Posts:1689
| | 01/20/2008 12:43 PM |
Alert | It isn't the fact of managing the money that caused the special assessment. It is the fact that everything has gone up, people aren't paying their assessments and of course the trash. We're paying for trash service and not getting the money from those that aren't paying their assessments.
Barbara brought to the boards attention that we should look into the removal of the trashcan from none paying residents. So we've spent the last 5 or 6 months getting everything lined up so that we can legally have the trash cans picked up from homeowners that are behind. We discussed at the last meeting in October but we were already in the legal works of it. The legal systems isn't always the fastest moving entity.
As I mentioned in another thread we live in a the smallest community of Maricopa but have to pay all the same bills that the bigger ones do. Not as many since we don't have a pool or a club house but still have all the other things that need to be paid. Like the gardener, exterminator, electric bill, water bill so on and so on.
The problem is when we get homeowners that don't pay their dues it takes a lower number of homeowners not paying to make it hurt.
How many homes around you are empty? How many homes around you are up for sale? The number wouldn't hurt a bigger community as bad but here it does hurt. The good thin is that things are getting better each month. So there is light at the end of the tunnel. | |
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Kukulcan
Posts:17
| | 01/20/2008 12:44 PM |
Alert | | Thanks homeowner. That trip to the Pinal County website was very interesting; seeing all the liens and the amounts due now makes sense why there is no money for HOA operations. There are thousands of dollars due to this community which will result in the rest of us paying for their share. Their names should be published on the Desert Cedars website to embarrass them. Slackers! | | | |
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Kukulcan
Posts:17
| | 01/20/2008 1:15 PM |
Alert | | Thanks homeowner. That trip to the Pinal County website was very interesting; seeing all the liens and the amounts due now makes sense why there is no money for HOA operations. There are thousands of dollars due to this community which will result in the rest of us paying for their share. Their names should be published on the Desert Cedars website to embarrass them. Slackers! | | | |
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Kukulcan
Posts:17
| | 01/20/2008 1:15 PM |
Alert | | Thanks homeowner. That trip to the Pinal County website was very interesting; seeing all the liens and the amounts due now makes sense why there is no money for HOA operations. There are thousands of dollars due to this community which will result in the rest of us paying for their share. Their names should be published on the Desert Cedars website to embarrass them. Slackers! | | | |
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twostep23
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| | 01/20/2008 1:39 PM |
Alert | Your board and management company can not discuss financial issues with anyone other than the homeowner involved. There are privacy laws that we have to live by and posting that information is not possible.
We can however tell you the amount of money that is withstanding from all homeowners. That is given out each and every month through the financial that are available to be seen on the website. | |
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twostep23
Posts:1689
| | 01/20/2008 1:50 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By navygurl on 01/20/2008 8:43 AM
I have see very little done with this "social fee" that they are claiming and wasn't the point of the website to cut down on mailings, but just yesterday we got a 4 page mailing to remind us about the meeting. </div>
There are several items that are listed on the budget that won't necessarily be spent because of the lack of funds. The "social fee" category is for the "Annual Spring Fling" event that we had last year and would like to continue to do. We'll just have to wait and see if the money is there this year for it. But everyone that did attend last year had a great time.
As for the mailings....that is required by the governing documents when elections and/or meeting are to be held. We actually saved money by mailing the "special assessment" ballot out with the rest of the stuff instead of doing another mailing for it.
I would love to stop the mailings all together but we will have to have everyone sign up on the website. I've tried on more than one occasion to have a committee that would go around and get everyone's email address but no one has come forward to help us. Maybe you can help chair this committee for us and we can stop mailings? | |
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Robert B
Posts:859
| | 02/03/2008 4:44 AM |
Alert | | The HOA is like a vampire it bleeds me white. That all I have to say, my check is in the mail and have a nice day. Thank you!! | | | |
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alwaysamytoo
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| | 02/04/2008 8:52 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Robert B on 02/03/2008 4:44 AM
The HOA is like a vampire it bleeds me white. That all I have to say, my check is in the mail and have a nice day. Thank you!!</div>
When you purchased your home you knew there were HOA fees, it is a fact of life and we all pay them, at least the responsible homeowners do. | | | |
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navygurl
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| | 02/04/2008 5:07 PM |
Alert | | Yeah but I don't pay other people for not doing their job. Would you pay your drycleaner for not cleaning your clothes or your cleaning lady for not cleaning your house? Why should we pay an HOA that is not doing their job? The common areas look horrible and even our sign doesn't have the community name on it. If the people on the HOA can't do their job then why should we pay them? I pay mine, but I will not pay a special assessment. | | | |
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