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doggydog
Posts:6
 | | 11/22/2007 1:24 PM |
 Alert | | You know that potential buyers and people who haven't moved out here yet read this website. I will be moving to Maricopa early next year and I am looking foward to meeting the "nice" people of this town. All I read on here is negativity like some of you didn't realize things are going to have to be done one at a time. Just be thankful and appreciate what you have even though there is not a mall there or Starbucks. Just be patient and things will come. The Walmart and Home Depot are coming and what do I read?"Walmart is ghetto where is Target and I would rather shop at Lowes!!" Come on people. I'm not talking to all of you; just the ones who are complaining all the time. People that matter do read these forums. | | | |
| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/22/2007 1:51 PM |
Alert | doddydog....."news flash", people complain on forums.
Welcome to Maricopa....if you homeschool your children, don't need the 347 to get to work, don't mind waiting another 5-10 years for retail to arrive, it's a great place to live! | | | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:427
| | 11/22/2007 3:10 PM |
Alert | My kids go to school in the MUSD20 district. I have started using the 347. I will soon be using it much more. I'm not a "shopping person". We make do wth what's here now. There's a Starbucks at Basha's that I have yet to use.
I coach both my kids soccer teams, I referee City youth sports, I go to school at the local Central AZ college fulltime. I play sports with city league(now, it's flag football.) I've been playing flag footbal in the Rancho El Dorado wash over the past 2 1/2 years. I've worked part time at the local Fry's since Feb.
My kids have so many friends. I have met so many wonderful people,too. My family enjoys Maricopa; the city and the people.
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You may remember this from the original 85239:
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | charann
Posts:208
| | 11/22/2007 6:21 PM |
Alert | | Yeah, a lot of people are negative, but a lot of people are friendly. I hope you dont' think all of us in Maricopa are this negative. We're here almost a year and Im happy. I knew before moving into Maricopa we were moving into the middle of nowhere. Maybe some people just expected things to be faster than they truly are, who knows, but I am happy and unlike others, I have no regrets about moving here. | | | |
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| | Monkey!
Posts:285
| | 11/23/2007 10:13 AM |
Alert | | Denna you seem to be a very unhappy person. I hope things look up for you and your holidays are fufilling. | | | |
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 11/23/2007 11:39 AM |
Alert | | Denna needs help. | | | |
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|  | alwaysamytoo
Posts:0
| | 11/23/2007 11:50 AM |
Alert | | On the bright side all the highest foreclosure rate is the US are in Stockton, CA not here! positive is how I feel, Love this town and our friends and family here. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will Maricopa, the only thing this negativity does is dissuade new people from enjoying their choice to move here. I'll take the cow smell over the pollution in LA, the snow back east that you have to shovel, and never would trade the 9 months of beautiful weather! | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/23/2007 3:40 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By charann on 11/22/2007 6:21 PM
Yeah, a lot of people are negative, but a lot of people are friendly. I hope you dont' think all of us in Maricopa are this negative. We're here almost a year and Im happy. I knew before moving into Maricopa we were moving into the middle of nowhere. Maybe some people just expected things to be faster than they truly are, who knows, but I am happy and unlike others, I have no regrets about moving here.</div>
I could not agree with this post more. :-)
For those who did their homework and came here knowing full-well that there are as many pitfalls as there are pluses to living in the middle of nowhere, this is paradise. For those who came here and speculated that things would be "X" good in "Y" years, there is probably a good deal of disappointment right now.
Yes, there's that word again -- "speculate." Most of time we see that reserved for folks whose economic speculation led them to purchase nine houses instead of just the one they needed to keep themselves dry in winter and shaded in summer. But there are all sorts of speculators out there, and included among them are those who looked around a year ago and thought "Hmmm...there's brown paint on the buildings here just like there is in Ahwatukee...this will be the next Ahwatukee by 2008!"
Obviously, such idealistic visions were impossible, but there was such promise out here at that time, they must have seemed reasonable to a great many people. And what we are seeing on this board and amongst the naysayers in town is the depression that comes with having your speculation proven incorrect. It hurts.
The bottom line is that this is not a bad place to live by any stretch. (And anyone who thinks it is has never been in a truly awful locale.) There are plenty of things that need improvement, plenty more things that are improving slowly, and plenty of things that are wonderful but hidden. There is lots of beauty in this town...you just need to know where to look. :-)
Doggydog, welcome to town! I bet you'll enjoy it here more than you expect. | | | |
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| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/23/2007 6:11 PM |
Alert | | Gila Guy....admit one thing, those who are truly happy do not have to endure the 347 on a daily basis. I could care less that it may take another 5 years for another way in, but having no enforcement on this outdated road is inexcusable. I usually agree with your posts, but until this situation is truly addressed, Maricopa will be a bad place to live for me, and most others. I do love my neighborhood, but that runs a distant second to my families safety. This is something that could'nt be researched, because the death toll accelerated with the growth down here. Our safety was not put first. Now was this an idealistic vision on my part? Do you think the leaders who don't commute here, really feel our pain?? If they do it must be a secret. | | | |
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| | twostep23
Posts:1682
| | 11/23/2007 8:42 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 11/23/2007 6:11 PM
Gila Guy....admit one thing, those who are truly happy do not have to endure the 347 on a daily basis. </div>
I do travel the 347 at least twice a day (to and from work) during rush hour. At least once a weekend and maybe twice during the week for a meeting and I DO love this town. I personally know at least 7 people within my circle of friends that love this town and yes they travel the 347 daily.
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| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/23/2007 9:56 PM |
Alert | | I'm happy for you. You are in the minority. Most people I speak to, (lots), say that given what they know now with this road, they would never have come down here. Can you blame them? I'd say that once every 2 weeks, being asked to go another 20-25 minutes in the oppisite direction from your job , or coming home, takes it's toll. Sugarcoat it all you want, it's terrible planning. We'll continue to pay the price for that. | | | |
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| | RAWTAZ
Posts:29
| | 11/23/2007 10:00 PM |
Alert | | The rational people don't post or get into this balonnie. | |
Ride it like you stole it! | |
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| | twostep23
Posts:1682
| | 11/23/2007 10:16 PM |
Alert | Maybe in your world I'm in the minority but yes I can blame them. They were given the public reports. They knew that the road that they came in on was a two lane road..they had to drive here.
A little bit of homework should have been done before making such a large purchase. See when we were getting ready to buy here I contact ADOT and was told that there was no plans in the works to widen any of the roads.
We knew that the train was 1 mile away, that there was dairy farms in the area and that there are only two lane highways in and out of our sleepy town. Due to time restricts the only thing that we didn't do was drive around both day and night.
No sugar coating necessary we love Maricopa no matter how negative people get. We'll continue supporting our friends old ones and new ones. | |
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| | twostep23
Posts:1682
| | 11/23/2007 10:18 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By RAWTAZ on 11/23/2007 10:00 PM
The rational people don't post or get into this balonnie.</div>
Yeah I like bologna!!!! OK, I did when I was a kid not so much now. LOL | |
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| | So.SideCubFan
Posts:95
| | 11/24/2007 12:45 AM |
Alert | Would you like some cheeze with that whine?? Or perhaps a nice hot cup of SHUT THE HECK UP!!
"Forget about some of the worst declining property values in the state of Arizona, many robberies, and kids bringing guns to school as occurred at our middle school. There are also gangs or gang like activities (tagging, etc). Read about the people walking around in Rancho El Dorado, our prize neighborhood, drinking in public."
Denna, where are you from..? Huckleberry?? Please... For all of us, go look at yourself in the mirror and smack yourself in the back of the head as you say "Idiot". As far as the "gangs or gang like activities".. Welcome to America. Fool! Oh my... People actually walk around in Ranco El Dorado??? Perhaps you should pick them up to offer a ride in your oversized SUV while you talking on your cell phone.
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| | drummer72
Posts:3070
| | 11/24/2007 12:52 AM |
Alert | | Denna, you're in violation of my terms. Please be a little more positive and you will maybe meet a man. I understand life can be lonely... | |
OBAMA NATION! | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/24/2007 4:29 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 11/23/2007 6:11 PM
Gila Guy....admit one thing, those who are truly happy do not have to endure the 347 on a daily basis. I could care less that it may take another 5 years for another way in, but having no enforcement on this outdated road is inexcusable. I usually agree with your posts, but until this situation is truly addressed, Maricopa will be a bad place to live for me, and most others. I do love my neighborhood, but that runs a distant second to my families safety. This is something that could'nt be researched, because the death toll accelerated with the growth down here. Our safety was not put first. Now was this an idealistic vision on my part? Do you think the leaders who don't commute here, really feel our pain?? If they do it must be a secret. </div>
I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is an idealistic vision on your part, but I think that it is very easy to overstate the case. I have never, at any point in time, felt unsafe on 347. I have seen my share of accidents, bad drivers, and other disorganized tomfoolery, but I don't believe there is anything inherently more unsafe about 347 than there is about any other non-interstate semi-rural highway. Could it be better? Absolutely! But to suggest that this highway was somehow designed without the safety of the Maricopa resident in mind seems to be overreaching a bit.
And of course, opinions are going to vary. Some people couldn't care less about the highway, they just want good schools. Some people's primary concern is peace and quiet. Some want to see stars at night. For those whose entire life is based around the highway, this may not be the place to go. (Then again, I can't think of a place in the Phoenix Metro area that would be...the freeways are all gridlocked during rush hour in snowbird months.)
To answer your question directly, my commute when I first moved to Maricopa was 102 miles round trip per day. I knew it, I planned it out, and I planned for the cost in gas. (I actually ended up underestimating that, since that was at the beginning of the big run-up in gas prices, but it still worked out.) That commute gave way to an 89-mile round trip commute after a while, and again, it was something I knew I'd had to take in stride. Yes, there were times when I was frustrated beyond belief and wanted to rip off my sailor's cap and let fly my favorite Swahili swear word. But that was part and parcel of the commute. I expected no less.
And that's just it. My opinion has always been that personal responsibility trumps all. We all knew what we were getting into. With the exception of the rare few that drove in via the Maricopa-Casa Grande Highway, we all took 347 inbound to check out the houses we bought. We all knew the condition of the road, how far from anything (fire stations, etc) it was, and how few DPS officers we saw along the way (though I see more now than ever before). While I am definitely of the belief that the city could have taken the initiative to meet with Gila River and ADOT about road expansion (or alternative proposals partially at our own expense), I have a very hard time pinning blame for 347-related-unhappiness on anyone other than us. Even those of us who were here when Maricopa was nothing more than pecan groves and a Dairy Queen had to know that the freeway wouldn't be empty forever. :-)
When you get right down to it, I think you and I probably agree more than we disagree where 347 is concerned. I think we'd both be willing to fund road expansion out of our own pockets, and I think we'd both be supportive of any effort made by our city leaders to try and bridge the gap between the "we've got no plans to expand" ADOT crew and the "not on our land, buddy" Gila River leadership. It's going to happen at some point. I honestly believe that. | | | |
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| | LeonPotter
Posts:427
| | 11/24/2007 8:35 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 11/23/2007 9:56 PM
I'm happy for you. You are in the minority. Most people I speak to, (lots), say that given what they know now with this road, they would never have come down here. Can you blame them? I'd say that once every 2 weeks, being asked to go another 20-25 minutes in the oppisite direction from your job , or coming home, takes it's toll. Sugarcoat it all you want, it's terrible planning. We'll continue to pay the price for that.</div>
There is an ironic twist to the statement above: assuming that most people would not have moved here if they knew then what "they know now with this road", traffic would be, by definition, better on 347 due to fewer commuters.
Hindsight is 20/20, but to assume things would be the same if things were different is contradictory at best. It's impossible to know the true effect of any of the variables life offers us. It is what is.We make our decisions based on infinite things known and unknown that affect our lives and the lives of others, intentionally or not. | |
You may remember this from the original 85239:
Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. | |
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| | So.SideCubFan
Posts:95
| | 11/24/2007 1:06 PM |
Alert | | Gila's Life Story... In a nutshell?? | | | |
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| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/24/2007 1:19 PM |
Alert | | Thanks for your thoughts Mr. Potter and Gila Guy. I agree with you both, on some of your points. In terms of any potential expansion funding coming out of our own pockets, I'm all in!! Let's get a proposition going. | | | |
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