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thatperson
Posts:63
 | | 10/06/2007 10:35 PM |
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I would like to say shame on the person who spent the time to use this forum to slander and insult my fellow co-worker at MWMS this past week. I do wish that some of the people who seem to CARE so much for their children in school could walk a mile in our shoes. It was so upsetting to me to see this person so heart broken due to the hateful and racially motivated attack. I would also like to say shame on the mother who my other coworker called to explain the lack of respect that her son had in order to justify an assigned detention. Her reply was that the teacher should quit b****ing so much and get over it.
I understand that the vast majority of the parents in the district have positive things to say (the thread below shows that). I appreciate that. I posted a thread at the start of the school year called Positive alternative to complaining. I got very few positive posts on the thread. Can any of you take the time to say one good thing about the teachers that your children have? (On the thread below) Look at all the great things being said about legacy. If the cafeteria at the middle school did not provide lunches for students on any given day Mrs. Sharp would get 5 dozen calls from parents screaming about it. Legacy got no such calls and no bad press on 85239 when the "chef" showed up unprepared and was fired within a week. What gives people?
Gives us some kudos on our week off so we can go back into the trenches recharged and reminded of how much we love teaching. Either way we will survive and still love our work. It’s just nice to hear how much we are appreciated now and then
Thank you pepperdog & desertnewbie for the positive feedback your support is great. thanks for setting a great example of how even is such trying times in district you acknowledge the jobs we do.
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| | bstoneaz
Posts:404
| | 10/06/2007 11:02 PM |
Alert | | I didn't see the thread and don't know anyone involved, but I do find it amusing once again someone has pulled the race card to explain an attack. Pathetic. | |
Just the good ol' boys,
Never meanin' no harm,
Beats all you've ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.
Straight'nin' the curve,
Flat'nin' the hills.
Someday the moutain might get 'em, but the law never will.
Makin' their way,
The only way they know how,
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
Just good ol' boys,
Wouldn't change if they could,
Fightin' the system like a true modern day Robin Hood. | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 10/06/2007 11:09 PM |
Alert | | thread was pulled. It was there long enough for the teachers name to be mentioned. After being pulled a second thread was posted complaining about the first being pulled. The second was also pulled after a period of time. Both were there long enough for people to reply quite a bit. long enough for damage to be done. Racial undertones were used in the thread which were quite hurtful. | | | |
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| | Scorpio
Posts:71
| | 10/06/2007 11:40 PM |
Alert | | I have children in Resource classes at two schools in Maricopa. We are pretty new here, but I have found so far that all the teachers I have dealt with are trying really hard to make accomodations I've told them my children need. MES Resource is AWESOME and MWMS is trying to get there. I have been in very close contact with all of my kids teachers on any issues that come up, and they have been very supportive and encouraging. I've realized over the years that by being kind, respectful and appreciative - and talking directly with the teachers - great things can happen. Sometimes you have to ASK for what you need. So - overall I think the schools are so overcrowded and under staffed but for the most part, these teachers are doing the very best they can with what they have. I commend them for staying in the field despite the pay. Many of them are truly dedicated to these kids. I for one - THANK YOU! I know I could never teach, especially under these circumstances. | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/07/2007 7:59 AM |
Alert | Unless more was added to the thread that I missed before it was pulled, I recall her race coming up to explain her dialect, which shouldn't be relevant since it was a typed note with errors that was in question. If she was insulted, she deserves an apology.
The original thread was to complain about the note she sent home, though. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but if you are teaching Language Arts, a note with that many mistakes is quite troubling. I don't believe this teacher is dumb...not a for a minute. She apparently passed college. I also realize teachers are very busy, but if you are going to take the time to type a note to the parent, take the few extra seconds to proofread it before you send it. That isn't asking too much and would be time well-invested to avoid inspiring a lack of confidence in you from your students and their parents.
This was just a note a home, so perhaps all of the lessons and other work with the kids are error-free, but a parent doesn't know that for sure when a note like that goes home. In another state, my daughter's 2nd grade teacher sent home the week's list of spelling words to study. It was a handwritten list and on it she had misspelled vegetable. The entire class was learning the incorrect spelling of that word. It's just unacceptable.
Teachers aren't perfect. Nobody is. As I said in that first thread before it was taken off the board, a common mistake like using there when it should be their is understandable because people get busy and spell check won't catch that, but a "parent confess" instead of conference? How can anyone be sure this same lack of attention to detail isn't spilling over into the classroom?
This issue is full of "should have never's". The note should have never gone home with the egregious mistakes and the parent should have never mentioned the teacher's name or race here, in a public forum...especially if the child was being moved out of this teacher's class, as the original poster stated. This was something that deserved to be addressed, but spun way out of control, unnecessarily.
I hope the teacher will realize in time, "it is what it is" and "it ain't what it ain't". | | | |
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| | DesertNewbie
Posts:531
| | 10/07/2007 8:37 AM |
Alert | | BTW...no thanks necessary for the kudos I've handed out. People who do an amazing job, deserve to hear (or in this case read) that once in a while. I am happy to share my great experiences when so many come here to complain and never post about the good things that occur. | | | |
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|  | sterlingdreams925
Posts:302
| | 10/07/2007 2:46 PM |
Alert | | We are pleased with our child's teachers. If we ever have a question, they are very quick to respond... same thing goes for the administration. I applaud all teachers that truly care about their students and the education they receive. Keep up the great work! : ) | | | |
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/08/2007 1:38 PM |
Alert | Let me begin by saying that I was the who made that post. You have no right to scold me, being you aren't the teacher in question, nor do you have the details of the situation. One, I never slandered or personally attacked anyone. I did question a teacher's ability or rather her inability to teach Language Arts/Reading. I have physical proof that this teacher is lacking in severely in her written communication ability. I have also spoken to this teacher on the phone and can say her speech patterns are lacking, as well.
I have nothing against this teacher personally, racially or academically. I commend this person for having the balls to teach kids. She has more education than I do and is studying for her Master's from what I understand. But, she needs to be in a different department.
I had no intentions of hurting any one's feelings. I just want the best education for my son, who is honor roll bound. This is his first behavior issue in his school career. It began with my son questioning why his teacher could correct him, when she was making errors in her grammar. From that point on, my son felt ostracised by this teacher and he became obstinate when she began to blame him for things going on in the classroom.
Race was brought up due to the speech patterns used by this teacher. They are culturally generated. I grew up in the same neighborhood as she did. I have no problems with this. But, that should be kept in their own home. I would have the same problem if the English teacher was speaking Spanish or Pig Latin to her class. English/Reading/Language Arts need to be in proper English. End of story.
Oh, I never said to quit "bi++++" to anyone. All I said was the school is to provide my son with transportation home for after school detention, being we live 13 miles from the school and I didn't have a vehicle to pick him up with.
To the OP, please, if you want details and my real comments on these subjects, feel free to PM me. I will be happy to provide you with all the details. My ONLY concern in this matter is MY son's education. NOTHING else.
Just a side note. I did receive a call from the principal the evening of the post. My son was assigned a new teacher the next day. Just remember, the squeaky wheel gets greased. | | | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 10/08/2007 8:37 PM |
Alert | horses are cool
Clap clap clap clap(my applause)
Congrats on being a "GREAT" parent and teaching your child that if he doesn't like a person in authority and complains to mommy, that mommy will rescue him and get him out of a tough situation. Also congrats to you for undermining the position of that teacher when it comes to discipline in the classroom. Now every kid in this teacher's class now knows that if they don't like it they can have mommy get them out of it. That should do wonders for my fellow teacher's classroom management. The right thing to do was to go about this privately and let the school take care of it in house. So yes you did attack this teacher and yes you did hurt this persons feelings deeply, because I saw the hurt in her face when we talked about your cheap shot on this VERY PUBLIC forum. What makes you so qualified to judge who belongs in what department at school? Do you have a degree in anything? Have you ever worked in the public school system? You now have also brought the better judgment of Mrs. Sharp into question because she hired this teacher for her current position. Which could now result in other parents questioning her ability as an administrator. So I applaud you for being such an upstanding and supportive member of the school community. (sarcasm is dripping from the page) So next time when you are thinking of making such an effort to help your son learn such important life lessons try to think of all the people you will assassinate in the process.
Clap Clap Clap (my applause)
P.S. If you took time to read my original post you would see that I was scolding a different parent for a phone call to a different teacher.
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/08/2007 9:02 PM |
Alert | Yes, I do question the administration of the school. I was told last year that the principal had no time to discuss an immediate issue with me. Hence, I have no other recourse to discuss issues in whatever forum will get results. If I allowed the school to hide this issue, the other parents of children in this class may not have become aware that there was a problem with this teacher. The schools are hiring anyone they can to teach. Just because they have the certificate, doesn't mean they are right for their department. The school district has become over whelmed with the growth in this area.
In addition, you seem to be a student of this teacher, because you don't know how to use paragraphs. If you had indicated a new paragraph when you spoke of the "other" parent, I may not have commented on it. Your post looks as if it is all one topic.
I have no degree, but I did complete high school and some college. English is not my interest, but I have some basic knowledge. You don't put 3 comma's and a semi colon in the same sentence where the subject matter is completely unrelated. Proper spelling is important also, as is capitalization of my son's name.
Mommy didn't get her child out of a tough situation. It is my responsibility to make sure my children have the best education available to them I put my son in a class where he will get a proper education. I don't care to have my son speak and write like a ghetto rat or a hillbilly or any other term that is used to describe someone who speaks uneducated slang. I have changed other classes in my son's educational career, just as other parents have changed classes, school's and even districts. I even home-schooled my oldest son. I am not the only parent to complain about Maricopa's schools.
Again, I don't care about anyone but my children. Would you put your family's best interest - husband, children, parents - above this teacher? I doubt it. Come down from you soap box. Who are you to scold me or any other parent? No one, I am sure. | | | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:612
| | 10/08/2007 9:03 PM |
Alert | Well, I applaud her without sarcasm.
There is no excuse for a note from a teacher to be so poorly written. (I read the original post) That teacher should be ashamed of herself and if she speaks anything like she writes, has no business teaching language to anyones children. | | | |
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| | osgoodsnog
Posts:55
| | 10/08/2007 9:20 PM |
Alert | "The right thing to do was to go about this privately and let the school take care of it in house. So yes you did attack this teacher and yes you did hurt this persons feelings deeply, because I saw the hurt in her face when we talked about your cheap shot on this VERY PUBLIC forum. What makes you so qualified to judge who belongs in what department at school? Do you have a degree in anything? Have you ever worked in the public school system? You now have also brought the better judgment of Mrs. Sharp into question because she hired this teacher for her current position. Which could now result in other parents questioning her ability as an administrator. "
Unfortunately, most folks have come to believe that this forum's purpose is to "expose" everything in the district and bring everything good down with their stabbing words, not thinking about the people it will really effect.
I think my grandkids have the best teachers in the world. I am greatful for that. When my kids were at school, they were expected to mind their teachers and any adult figure. Anything they had to question needed to come home and be handled between the adults. If there were ever any real concerns, the teacher, and then if needed, the principal would be contacted. Common sense tells us this is protocol. I'm sorry to hear that someone is not happy with their teacher's writting skills and teaching ability. I hope things can work out for the best for everyone as I did not read the original thread. I just know that if I did somthing that needed redirection or correcting at my work, I would want it done swiftly and in the most professional manner. No need to call the National Enquirer and blast everyone's inperfections to the World Wide Web!
Kudos to all our hard working teachers and to all the community memebers who not only support them, but go out of their way sometimes to tell them directly that they are appreciated and supported. | |
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 10/08/2007 9:33 PM |
Alert | Posted By Horses R Cool on 10/08/2007 2:26 PM
I believe we become furtilizer, just like a dead animal...they decompse. There is no after life. Heaven or hell. Seriously, how could any rational person believe in such a thought?
Posted By Horses R Cool on 10/01/2007 8:58 AM
We have a brother and sister team. Coming 1 year old, spayed and neutered. Up to date on vaccines and tagged with Pinal County. They can go together or separtate. The male "Patch" has been taught to work cattle. The female would catch on quicly. Or great house pets. Both are lazy during the day. Both are housebroken, great with other dogs, kids and all types of animals. I would like an adoption fee of $25 each. Call Bobbie at 520-568-3064 if you or anyone else you know would be interested.
Posted By Horses R Cool on 10/02/2007 8:29 AM
Great! I am glad your cat is doing better. I have found that for animal bites/deep scratches, clean with Betadine scub and used diluted iodine to flush. Simple Neosporin is good antibioic ointment. I haven't seen anywhere that it is toxic to dogs or cats and have had no ill effects on any either.
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So how is the home schooled kid doing in language Arts? Spelling must not be your child's strong suit
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Posted By Horses R Cool on 07/23/2007 8:56 AM
I believe that firefighters, police officers, court officals, politicians, teachers, etc. should all be "on guard" when not on duty. They represent the communinities they protect/serve. The public is always watching and they should NOT be above the law.
Now, if these firefighters were "regular" people, let's see how many laws were broken....
Drunk and disorderly? Disturbing the peace? Drunk driving (if they were too drunk to control their behavior, how were they sober enough to drive??), more possibly.
I bet if they were civilians and their names were known, these individuals would be in jail and the police who witnessed the crimes would be handling the charges even if the guy that was injured didn't.
I have a son who needs to perform community sevice for "disturbing the peace". I promise he won't be going to the Maricopa Fire Department to see if he can work there.
He read the article on 85239.com regarding this. He said he didn't do anything nearly as bad, but he was punished. How does a parent explain to their child that there is a difference???
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don't look now but mom is trying to teach her child a lesson
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/08/2007 9:55 PM |
Alert | So what is your point? I have a son that was in trouble. He completed his punishment (not the same son in this issue). Still schooling and has completed a farrier apprenticeship. Currently making $75/hour as a farrier at the age of 16. I don't believe in god. I have a yard full of rescue dogs that need homes and I have experience with animal injuries? I have never hidden my identity behind a screen name.
I am not a teacher and don't always use spell-check. You are welcome to post the rest of my past posts, but wouldn't it be easier to just give a link to my profile? All of this has already been posted in this very public forum. Where is the one about god not making me in his perfect image?
Oh, I can do the same. But you might want to know that Basha's, Kroger, Fry's and Enfamil are all proper nouns and need to be capitalized. I believe you have stated to this forum that you are, in fact, a teacher.
thatperson:
"I talked to the manager at fry's about the baby formula. they said that kroger no longer will do business with enfamil. I went to bashas and they were out of the same product. One of the reasons that fry's is no longer carrying the item is because the word is that WIC is no longer offering enfamil in its program and is switching to similac. I am discouraged that fry's would base a decision on what WIC is going to do. As if the only people that use enfamil are on WIC. It is also the first week of the month and many people on assistance have cleaned out the stores to stock up for the month. I went to walgreens and they had it there. I just found it unusual that fry's or any store would discontinue an item that they can barely keep in stock because it sells so fast. GRRRRRRRRRR." | | | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 10/08/2007 10:05 PM |
Alert | | Oh so you are admitting that people are not perfect. That’s a big step for you. It seemed that you were so concerned with perfection a few days ago. I am not surprised that you do not believe in God. Forgiveness is not a quality you seem to possess. If you’re not a teacher you shouldn't judge one. I am sure people don't judge you or question your expertise in shoveling horse poop. I am a teacher and proud of it. I hope to teach your son someday. I focus a lot of attention on being a good person and respecting people in my instruction. Hopefully someone can teach your son those life lessons | | | |
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| | Digger
Posts:63
| | 10/08/2007 10:17 PM |
Alert | | thatperson I don't think hiding behind God in you statement represents what God expects. or Maybe we are talking about a different god. If that's the case, then keep hiding. We have an obligation to uphold a higher standard. | | | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 10/08/2007 10:19 PM |
Alert | | when did I hide behind God? | | | |
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/08/2007 10:22 PM |
Alert | I certainly hope you teach more than respect. Respect doesn't get one a job. You showed your true colors when you flamed that teacher from California, that was looking for information about teaching here in Maricopa. Seems you had issues with her teaching ability and grammar use. Too bad, it is very obvious that we need more qualified teachers in this city.
I am not asking anyone to be perfect. I am expecting that if a person takes on a responsibility, that they are competent to perform that responsibility. I bet you would be pretty upset if that pediatrician you take you kids to couldn't take your child's temperature properly or told you to put a Band-Aid on a cut that, in your uneducated (in the field of medicine) eye's, needed 5 stitches. Same thing here. I commend you for trying to defend your friend. But it isn't going to work. I still feel the same.
I would bet I make more in a year shoveling horse poop than you do teaching. Trust me. I stay home, play with my horses and look out for my kids. I am happy with my job or I would be doing something different. You are welcome, however, to continue to insult me. I have nothing to hide. Again, everything you are trying to use against me, I posted on this forum. It's already been read by the public. | | | |
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| | thatperson
Posts:63
| | 10/08/2007 10:36 PM |
Alert | | My hand was forced in defending my friend by my knowledge of the enormous difficulty of teaching. I personally have no problem with you, your profession or the desire you have to keep your child's best interest in mind. I do have a problem with the nature in which you handled the situation. I too was thrown under the bus by parents at my former school when my ability was questioned by one parent who was not understanding in my first year of teaching. Our group is very tight knit. We are a family at the middle school. I defend my coworkers like family. The reason being that sometimes we only have each other. The best way to approach the rest of this school year is to keep an open mind with patience and understanding. You have every right to be involved with your child's education. I encourage all parents of my students to come down to the school and question everything I do. If you wish I would even sit down with you to discuss the direction I believe the school is going. I would also be glad to mentor your son in school if you feel it would be beneficial to him. The reason everything got so out of hand here is because communication had broken down. If you had spent the time to better understand the teacher you had a problem with you may have had a change of heart in your decision to have him change teachers. | | | |
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 10/08/2007 10:43 PM |
Alert | Again, I chose this forum because it does get noticed. I have much communication with the school, via email for the most part, that you know nothing of. I have written communication, just so there is no room for misunderstandings. It is written, it is fact.
I did what I had to do. And you felt you needed to do what you needed to do.
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