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jhall
Posts:1341


 | | 02/16/2008 10:19 PM |
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Below is some very interesting data referencing deaths in the USA military.
I guarantee you will not read this in your local newspaper nor will you see it on the daily news broadcast. I pray this will encourage you to enlighten folks around you as to the brave and courageous young people serving in our military.
Deaths in the Military
1980 .......... 2,392
1981 .......... 2,380
1982 .......... 2,318
1983 ....... 2,465
1984 .......... 1,999
1985 .......... 2,252
1986 .......... 1,984
1987 .......... 1,983
1988 ......... 1,819
1989 .......... 1,636
1990 ........ 1,508
1991 .......... 1,787
1992 .......... 1,293
1993 ......... 1,213
1994 ......... 1,075
1995 .......... 1,040
1996 .......... 974
1997 ......... 817
1998 ......... 826
1999 .......... 795
2000 .......... 774
2001 ......... 890
2002 .......... 1007
2003 .......... 1,410 *]
2004 .......... 1,887 *]
2005 .......... *]
2006 ......... *]
Figures so noted with an asterisk (*) indicates deaths as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.
You may initially feel confused when you look at these figures --especially when you see that in 1980, during the term of President Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military fatalities. What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose and tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.
Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities. Wrong again - The latest census shows the following:
European descent (white) ... 69.12%
Hispanic .... 12.5%
African American ..... 12.3%
Asian ..... 3.7%
Native American .... 1.0%
Other .... 2.6%
The fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:
European descent (white) .... 74.31%
Hispanic ..... 10.74%
African American ... 9.67%
Asian .... 1.81%
Native American .... 1.09%
Other ..... 2.33%
Don't believe it?
These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
| | All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --Edmund Burke | |
| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 02/16/2008 11:32 PM |
Alert | | Liberal-Shmiberal. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | rex
Posts:300


 | | 02/17/2008 4:24 PM |
Alert | What you blatantly failed to omit was the fact that in 1980 under Jimmy Carter there were ZERO Hostile Action deaths. Cause of Deaths that year were:
Accidental= 1556
Hostile Action= 0
Homicide= 174
Illness= 419
Pending= 0
Self Inflicted= 231
Terrorist Attack= 1
Undetermined= 11
These numbers are from your chart from your website that you gave (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf Table 5, Part II, page 11 of 28).
It shows that in 1983, under Ronald Reagan, Active Duty Military Deaths reached the apex of 2,465 total deaths. This was partially due to the Lebanon Barracks terrorist attack where over 200 Marines were killed. Reagan quickly cut and run from Lebanon and no one has been held accountable for that terrorist event.
Your chart also shows that Accidental Deaths have been reduced dramatically since 1980. But Hostile Deaths skyrocketed under current president Bush.
As a side note, there was only ONE Hostile Action death under Bill Clinton's 8 years as president. He also shrank the total number of Active Duty Military Deaths 7 out of the 8 years in office.
Also, you transcribed the following years incorrectly: 1982, 1990, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004. Here is the accurate information from Table 5 Part II:
.........Total ..Accidentl Hostile ......................Self ..Terror
Year Deaths Deaths Action Homicide Illness Inflict Attack
1980 .2,392 .1,556 ... 0 174 419 231 1
1981 .2,380 .1,524 ... 0 145 457 241 0
1982 .2,319 .1,495 ... 0 108 446 254 0
1983 .2,465 .1,413 ... 18 115 419 218 263
1984 .1,999 .1,293 ... 1 84 374 225 6
1985 .2,252 .1,476 ... 0 111 363 275 5
1986 .1,984 .1,199 ... 2 103 384 269 0
1987 .1,983 .1,172 ... 37 104 383 260 2
1988 .1,819 .1,080 ... 0 90 321 285 17
1989 .1,636 .1,000 ... 23 58 294 224 0
1990 .1,507 . 880 ... 0 74 277 232 1
1991 .1,787 . 931 .. 147 112 308 256 0
1992 .1,293 . 676 ... 0 109 252 238 1
1993 .1,213 . 632 ... 0 86 221 236 29
1994 .1,075 . 544 ... 0 83 206 232 0
1995 .1,040 . 538 ... 0 67 174 250 7
1996 ...974 . 527 ... 1 52 173 188 19
1997 ...817 . 433 ... 0 42 170 159 0
1998 ...827 . 445 ... 0 26 168 161 3
1999 ...796 . 436 ... 0 37 150 145 0
2000 ...758 . 398 ... 0 34 138 151 17
2001 ...891 . 437 ... 3 49 185 140 55
2002 ...999 . 547 ... 18 51 190 160 0
2003 .1,228 . 440 ...344 36 207 167 0
2004 .1,874 . 604 ...739 46 270 188 0
2005 .1,942 . 632 ...739 49 281 150 0
2006 .1,858 . 465 ...753 30 205 155 0
Your original post failed to disclose the fact that Accidental Deaths have decreased while Hostile Action deaths have increased. Slanted? It also omits the fact that the least amount of Accidental and Total deaths occured during Bill Clinton's (Democrat) final year in office, 2000. He was able to shrink the deficit as well as the total number of military fatalities lower than ANY OTHER president in our generation. But all anyone ever says is Monica Monica Monica. It's like a Brady Bunch Rerun. Marsha Marsha Marsha.
Withdraw the troops, nuke our enemies. All of them. In the words of Granny5x-God bless the troops, God bless America. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 02/17/2008 6:22 PM |
Alert | Thanks Rex! Jhall just wanted to try and make dems look bad again, I'm sure. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 02/17/2008 6:53 PM |
Alert | If you are going to rate presidents based on the number of combat deaths, then FDR and old Abe would be our two worst.Presidents. Following that rational, FDR would be a better President if he had cut and run in WWII and let Hitler win the war. i think that most of us are glad that he did not. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 02/17/2008 7:08 PM |
Alert | | FDR and Abe are in another league than our current president or candidates. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 02/17/2008 7:26 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 02/17/2008 7:08 PM
FDR and Abe are in another league than our current president or candidates. True, but do the times make the man or does the man make the time? If Millard Filmore had been elected President in 1860 he would be well known and Abe would be a footnote. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 02/17/2008 7:34 PM |
Alert | A man makes the time.
I'm not a political historian, so I'll enjoy what others say... | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 02/17/2008 7:58 PM |
Alert | I think that a man is made or broken by the time in which he lives. Lets look at a few Presidents. Washington, without the Rev War,would have remained a Virginia planter and militia officer like dozens of others. Lincoln, without the Civil War, would be remembered as a mid-western lawyer who served as President. FDR's reputation rests on his combating the Depression and WWII. Eisenhower, without WWII would have retired as an unknown army colonel. All of these men were given the opportunity to rise by the events of their time. Take away the events and they would have been, at best, minor players in American history. | | | |
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| | ravensnest
Posts:136

 | | 02/17/2008 7:58 PM |
Alert | | Well put Hastings! Deaths in service have nothing to do with quality of the president at the time. FDR,Lincoln, and Woodrow Wilson would have gone down in history as the worst presidents because they led during times of war while some guy like Hoover would be great because their were few military deaths during the great depression. | | | |
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| | rex
Posts:300


 | | 02/17/2008 8:01 PM |
Alert | I totally agree with you hastings1066. If a president is rated by # of combat deaths, FDR is the worst. FDR (Democrat) presided over virtually all of WWII where 405,000 American troops died.
Just to show you I'm trying to be fair, don't forget Woodrow Wilson (Democrat). He presided over WWI where 116,000 American troops fought and died. Under Abe, 364,000 troops were lost in the Civil War. Abe was a Whig, then a Republican then a National Union Political Party member (Hadn't even heard of National Union Party till I just looked it up, but I know you knew because you taught history).
More American troops have fought and died under a Democratic president than a Republican president. Yet Republicans have it drilled into their heads that Democrats just want to cut and run. The website provided above by the OP of this thread shows that Democrats are not scaredy-cats. There's a time for war and there's a time for peace. I think I read that in the Holy Bible somewhere. "Mission Accomplished" could have been a time for peace to withdraw the troops. When we found Saddam Hussein then Iraq hanged him, was another time for peace to withdraw the troops. Instead we're still there.
I like Harry S. Truman. He wasn't afraid to show shock and awe by dropping a couple of big ones. Anyone who likes Admiral Halsey's infamous statement regarding the Japanese, should also like Harry S. Truman. | | | |
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| | ravensnest
Posts:136

 | | 02/17/2008 8:13 PM |
Alert | | rex one correction on above numbers. I believe you are only counting union deaths...The total civil war deaths are somewhere around 700,000 when you consider both sides. Civil war deaths topped WW2 in teams of american dead. | | | |
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| | rex
Posts:300


 | | 02/17/2008 8:15 PM |
Alert | | OK. Thanks ravensnest. I wondered about that, if the # included both union and confederates. I used the fas.org website's numbers to guide me. Thanks. | | | |
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| | ravensnest
Posts:136

 | | 02/17/2008 8:21 PM |
Alert | No problem.. American deaths in the civil war exceeded all other wars combined from the revolution to present day. That is a stunning fact i always remembered which made me realize something wasn't right about the numbers from that website | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1004


 | | 02/17/2008 8:39 PM |
Alert | Rex - You make a good point when you mention that in the past, democrats have been effective leaders in time of war. FDR is the best example of this. It was in the 1960s (Vietnam) when things started to change. Prior to that both parties had a strong footing in the center. The Dems were a little to the left and the Reps were a little to the right, both had room for dissension within the party. From the 60s on,both parties moved away from the center toward more strident positions.It seems that Reps are a bit to willing to resort to force and the Dems are to willing to appease our foes in order to avoid using force. More and more the ideologues have taken over both parties. It's a shame. Oops, wife looking over shoulder, tells me I am lecturing, sorry! 
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| | geewiz
Posts:434


 | | 02/17/2008 8:51 PM |
Alert | Of course clinton reduced the number of deaths. That SOB reduced the size of our Armed Forced. | | Be strong ARMY STRONG America's backbone. | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 02/17/2008 11:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By geewiz on 02/17/2008 8:51 PM Of course clinton reduced the number of deaths. That SOB reduced the size of our Armed Forced. Oh yes--- smaller military= a creep for president. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | djbaldwin
Posts:246


 | | 02/18/2008 11:21 AM |
Alert | it's true clinton screwed our military then sold military knowledge to north korea. But hey we had a balanced budget. Did I mention impeachment  | | "If everyone had the right priorities in life there would always be a shortage of fishing poles" Mark Twain | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3330


 | | 02/18/2008 3:30 PM |
Alert | Posted By ravensnest on 02/17/2008 8:21 PM No problem.. American deaths in the civil war exceeded all other wars combined from the revolution to present day. That is a stunning fact i always remembered which made me realize something wasn't right about the numbers from that website
Ummmm, no.....
American deaths.....and these are not all the conflicts.... Revolutionary War = 25,000 total deaths War of 1812 = roughly 20,000 deaths Mexican-American War = 13,283 deaths World War I = 116,516 deaths World War II = 405,399 deaths Korean War = 36,516 deaths Vietnam = 58,151 deaths Gulf War = 299 deaths Iraq = 3,959 deaths American Civil War deaths = 364,511 Union and roughly 260,000 Confederate.... | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | djbaldwin
Posts:246


 | | 02/18/2008 4:04 PM |
Alert | | crazy how iraq is second least. Just thought id point that out | | "If everyone had the right priorities in life there would always be a shortage of fishing poles" Mark Twain | |
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