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Reagan
Posts:741
 | | 07/13/2007 12:54 PM |
 Alert | From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.
29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/13/2007 1:58 PM |
Alert | | A simple solution to a simple problem would be to shoot them when they come over the fence like the Meixcans do to say the Gautamalans, El Salvadorians, oh wait, that wouldn't be right though because we are the US of A lol. | | | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 07/13/2007 2:13 PM |
Alert | | we should turn mexico into a water park. | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 2:23 PM |
Alert | Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque?
I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages?
I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking.
Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way!
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 07/13/2007 2:37 PM |
Alert | | Hey if you want your tax money going to support worthless illegal aliens then by all means go for it. I could care less about the well being of these criminals coming over here and exploiting us. LadyA since you have so much compassion for these dirt bags you should let 5 or 6 live in your house, eat your food, and rape your children you might just change your mind. i can only imagine how much of my hard earned money goes to these maggots!!!! | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 2:45 PM |
Alert | Posted By CrownNCoke on 07/13/2007 2:37 PM
Hey if you want your tax money going to support worthless illegal aliens then by all means go for it. I could care less about the well being of these criminals coming over here and exploiting us. LadyA since you have so much compassion for these dirt bags you should let 5 or 6 live in your house, eat your food, and rape your children you might just change your mind. i can only imagine how much of my hard earned money goes to these maggots!!!!
Oooh...I think someone's had too much Crown and not enough Coke, lol!
Personally, I'd rather have my tax dollars support who you call dirtbags, and who I call fellow human beings, than to be spent on a war. And as for your "rape" threats, according to Gavin de Becker, author of "The Gift of Fear" et. al., you are statistically more likely to be raped by a member of your household, or, if not, a white male...not an immigrant. So go pour yourself another one, and have a pleasant day. Try not to hate - there's enough of that in this world already.  | |
"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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|  | rex
Posts:300
| | 07/13/2007 3:18 PM |
Alert | LadyAmalthea, it's great you've learned four languages.
The least an applicant for US citizenship can do is learn English. If I decide to migrate to France without learning French, I shouldn't expect them all to speak English and change their road signs to accommodate me.
When you're 65 or 70 and are unable to retire or receive healthcare because illegal immigrants bankrupted America, let me know if you're for or against illegal immigration. :-) | | | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:1023
| | 07/13/2007 3:33 PM |
Alert | It's called assimilation. When you move to a new place of residence - you are _supposed to_ assimilate to the area. Move to North Carolina - you'll be hard pressed to find a restaurant that serves unsweetened ice tea. WHY? Because in the South - iced tea contains pounds of sugar... it's part of the culture and area.
If I were to move to Mexico or France or Germany or wherever - I would be expected, as part of my assimilation, to learn to speak the language of that country, to become part of the culture of that country, and to obey the laws of that country. The excuse "I'm an American and that's what the law is in America" would not apply. That's not to say in my home I couldn't continue to speak only English. But in public and in the course of my employment, I should be able to communicate in the official language of that country.
Have you ever been to one of the border towns? We go regularly with one of my husband's aunts to Algadones. You walk down the bridged walkway, crossing from the USA to Mexico. Standing 10 feet inside the Mexico border, directly under the sign that reads "Bienvenidos a México" are two Federales armed to the teeth with sidearm and AK47 type rifle. Welcome all right!
The normal American visitor to Algadones is a Senior Citizen purchasing medicine or services such as dental or vision care. They pay CASH and lots of it. And they are greated by an armed police force.
A good friend of mine was on an extended sabbatical to Mexico with his family. They own a very large home, sent their children to private school in Mexico etc. He realized his visa expired on Sunday. He went Monday to the authorities to renew the paperwork. Guess what? He spent the next FIVE WEEKS in jail while his wife spent LOTS of money to get him out! All because his visa was expired for less than 24 hours.
I am not anti-immigration. I am anti-ILLEGAL-immigration. If I'm in YOUR country - I have to follow YOUR rules. When you are in mine - I expect the same - you follow our rules. Nothing more - nothing less.
And as far as education:
Je parle aussi plusieurs langues. Je studed le français pendant 6 années à l'école.
Me forzaron aprender español para hablar con mis empleados que rechazaron aprender hablar inglés. | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3053
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Posts:3053
| | 07/13/2007 3:38 PM |
Alert | If it's done legally .. I am for it.
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 3:48 PM |
Alert | Thank you, Rex, for your kind words. I duly note your argument that if you wish to be a citizen, you should learn English.
I'm not really worried, though, about illegal immigrants stealing my retirement funds or denying me access to healthcare. One, by then, the world could be a far different place, and I could be relying on those "illegals" for care. Two, it could well be other expenditures from our own government (were I foolish enough to depend on Social Security for retirement - which, incidentally, I'm not) that would cause America to go bankrupt. I doubt illegals earning way less than minimum wage could bankrupt America more than elected officials sitting on an $800 *throne* for a few minutes each morning could.
This is a new, and ever-changing world we live in. As I've read on other threads, we don't need a Republican, or a Democrat, we need a leader. As I've said before, I'm an independent. I fear this "us vs. them" ideology could be the end of America, and perhaps the world at large. We cannot help where we are born. We cannot chose who our parents are, any more than we can change the colour of our skin (tanning booths aside; that's an irony for another day). What we CAN change is how we view our world. Do we see it as "us vs. them" or as "we're all in this together, let's make it work."
The real enemy isn't illegal immigrants...the real enemy is fear. A great man...Roosevelt (the second Roosevelt President, I believe) once said, "we have nothing to fear but fear itself." Those words I believe. And I believe that, if we as humans AND Americans are to keep up with a changing world, we all best start reading up on history, and believing those words.
Thanks again, Rex, for your kindness. | |
"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/13/2007 3:53 PM |
Alert | Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 2:23 PM Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque? I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages? I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking. Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way!
This has to be the dumbest reply I have ever heard, in the meantime our country is being torn apart from within by illigals who abuse our system, are blatant criminals and are negligent of our laws. When my grandparents came here they they followed the rules took the tests, learnt English, but again my family followed the rules and made a positive impact on this nation unlike the illigals that come here from Mexico. You know nothing about what they are doing to this country and I am almost positive you posted this reply because you are Mexican and have family members that are here illigally. Here is a great little video of the truth, may not be SFW cause of langauge-
http://www.theguyfromboston.com/playvideo.asp?video=/videos/2007/june/Illegal_Aliens.wmv
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 4:00 PM |
Alert | Posted By Fritzydoodle on 07/13/2007 3:33 PM
And as far as education:
Je parle aussi plusieurs langues. Je studed le français pendant 6 années à l'école.
Me forzaron aprender español para hablar con mis empleados que rechazaron aprender hablar inglés.
Wow, Fritzydoodle!
Let me see if I get this straight (I never studied French)...you also studied four languages. You studied French for six semesters in college?
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 4:03 PM |
Alert | Posted By LampLiteSniper on 07/13/2007 3:53 PM Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 2:23 PM Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque? I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages? I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking. Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way! This has to be the dumbest reply I have ever heard, in the meantime our country is being torn apart from within by illigals who abuse our system, are blatant criminals and are negligent of our laws. When my grandparents came here they they followed the rules took the tests, learnt English, but again my family followed the rules and made a positive impact on this nation unlike the illigals that come here from Mexico. You know nothing about what they are doing to this country and I am almost positive you posted this reply because you are Mexican and have family members that are here illigally. Here is a great little video of the truth, may not be SFW cause of langauge- http://www.theguyfromboston.com/playvideo.asp?video=/videos/2007/june/Illegal_Aliens.wmv
 Your family "learnt" English? And you talk about "illigals"? What, precisely, is an "illigal", oh wise one?
I don't mean offense, but if you're to insult me in English, at least do it with proper spelling. I'm pleased your family came here and learned English, and became American. Would you deny others the same opportunity?
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/13/2007 4:11 PM |
Alert | | Never knew this was a spelling bee, but the fact remains that I was born here so that makes me an American and my grandparents came here "legally," and we pay taxes for these scumbags to abuse our system. Maybe you should move to a country that wants filth, crime and poverty, you know its only about 150 miles to the south and I'm sure they would welcome you with open arms. | | | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:1023
| | 07/13/2007 4:14 PM |
Alert | Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 4:00 PM Posted By Fritzydoodle on 07/13/2007 3:33 PM
And as far as education:
Je parle aussi plusieurs langues. Je studed le français pendant 6 années à l'école.
Me forzaron aprender español para hablar con mis empleados que rechazaron aprender hablar inglés. Wow, Fritzydoodle! Let me see if I get this straight (I never studied French)...you also studied four languages. You studied French for six semesters in college?
Close but not quite - in French it reads:
I also studed several languages. I studed French for 6 years in school. The l'ecole refers to elementary or high school. Université refers to both college or university.
In Spanish it reads:
I was forced to learn to speak Spanish by my employees who refused to learn to speak English. (Or I hope it says something close to that. I can speak better than I can write! Conjugating verbs and all that)
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/13/2007 4:14 PM |
Alert | Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 4:03 PM Posted By LampLiteSniper on 07/13/2007 3:53 PM Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 2:23 PM Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque? I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages? I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking. Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way! This has to be the dumbest reply I have ever heard, in the meantime our country is being torn apart from within by illigals who abuse our system, are blatant criminals and are negligent of our laws. When my grandparents came here they they followed the rules took the tests, learnt English, but again my family followed the rules and made a positive impact on this nation unlike the illigals that come here from Mexico. You know nothing about what they are doing to this country and I am almost positive you posted this reply because you are Mexican and have family members that are here illigally. Here is a great little video of the truth, may not be SFW cause of langauge- http://www.theguyfromboston.com/playvideo.asp?video=/videos/2007/june/Illegal_Aliens.wmv  Your family "learnt" English? And you talk about "illigals"? What, precisely, is an "illigal", oh wise one? I don't mean offense, but if you're to insult me in English, at least do it with proper spelling. I'm pleased your family came here and learned English, and became American. Would you deny others the same opportunity?
Whose denying anyone any opportunity? These people are here illegally which in fact makes them CRIMINALS, end of story. If they wanted to come here that bad they should have done it the right way instead of doing it ILLEGALLY. Can you not understand what we are saying here? I don't care that you are Mexican, the only way you should be able to come to this country is if you can prove that you are not a burdon on society, you don't see us moving to Mexihole illegally do you? Hell maybe we should.
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 4:25 PM |
Alert | Posted By LampLiteSniper on 07/13/2007 4:14 PM Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 4:03 PM Posted By LampLiteSniper on 07/13/2007 3:53 PM Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 2:23 PM Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque? I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages? I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking. Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way! This has to be the dumbest reply I have ever heard, in the meantime our country is being torn apart from within by illigals who abuse our system, are blatant criminals and are negligent of our laws. When my grandparents came here they they followed the rules took the tests, learnt English, but again my family followed the rules and made a positive impact on this nation unlike the illigals that come here from Mexico. You know nothing about what they are doing to this country and I am almost positive you posted this reply because you are Mexican and have family members that are here illigally. Here is a great little video of the truth, may not be SFW cause of langauge- http://www.theguyfromboston.com/playvideo.asp?video=/videos/2007/june/Illegal_Aliens.wmv Your family "learnt" English? And you talk about "illigals"? What, precisely, is an "illigal", oh wise one? I don't mean offense, but if you're to insult me in English, at least do it with proper spelling. I'm pleased your family came here and learned English, and became American. Would you deny others the same opportunity? Whose denying anyone any opportunity? These people are here illegally which in fact makes them CRIMINALS, end of story. If they wanted to come here that bad they should have done it the right way instead of doing it ILLEGALLY. Can you not understand what we are saying here? I don't care that you are Mexican, the only way you should be able to come to this country is if you can prove that you are not a burdon on society, you don't see us moving to Mexihole illegally do you? Hell maybe we should.
Oh, heck, LLS...this redheaded, green-eyed Mexican declares peace.
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 4:33 PM |
Alert | Posted By Fritzydoodle on 07/13/2007 4:14 PM Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 4:00 PM Posted By Fritzydoodle on 07/13/2007 3:33 PM
And as far as education:
Je parle aussi plusieurs langues. Je studed le français pendant 6 années à l'école.
Me forzaron aprender español para hablar con mis empleados que rechazaron aprender hablar inglés. Wow, Fritzydoodle! Let me see if I get this straight (I never studied French)...you also studied four languages. You studied French for six semesters in college? Close but not quite - in French it reads: I also studed several languages. I studed French for 6 years in school. The l'ecole refers to elementary or high school. Université refers to both college or university. In Spanish it reads: I was forced to learn to speak Spanish by my employees who refused to learn to speak English. (Or I hope it says something close to that. I can speak better than I can write! Conjugating verbs and all that)
Thank you for the proper clarification! It's funny, how some languages can be so close, but the nuances are lost. Have you had the opportunity to study Latin? Talk about conjugating...not just verbs, but nouns, too! Still, it sheds a lot of light on how different languages came to be. I've always been an enthusiast of etymology. Anyway, as I babble on here, I just wanted to say thank you for the clarification.
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| | Reagan
Posts:741
| | 07/13/2007 4:34 PM |
Alert | Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 2:23 PM Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque? I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages? I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking. Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way!
I find it odd that you take me on with the English speaking part of my post! I have no problem with you learning other languages. My problem is that in my country I might be forced to speak another language to accomdate ILLEGALS in my country.
So you don't care about school overcrowding because of illegals? A 40/1 student teacher ratio and people wonder why our education system sucks!
You don't care that your tax dollars are paying 35k-50k a year to house criminals that shouldn't be here in the first place?
You don't care that the line at the local ER might be 3-4 hours because the illegals are first in line when they shouldn't be here in the first place?
Maybe you have a better chance of getting killed or raped by a citizen rather than an illegal, but it doesn't make those losses excuseable. Those are victims who should be victims because the ILLEGALS shouldn't be here in the first place! | |
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