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kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/05/2008 5:16 PM |
Alert | While I would love to post a useless comment and bash someone for their acts of environmentalism that don't hurt anyone, I find this more interesting... Anyone else remember this? About 2 and a half months ago when Bushy seemed shocked at a 4 dollar per gallon prediction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9b2MNhgMV4 Yup, while the rising gas prices are not all the fault of this administration, they certainly take some of the blame. His buddies are getting rich and their is no end in sight. Generally speaking, I think of my family as pretty well enough. I always viewed myself as upper-middle class. Has anyone else noticed it is getting more difficult to maintain the same lifestyle that you did 5,6,7, etc... years ago? Go ahead righties.......shift the blame. | | | |
| | caveman
Posts:1210


 | | 06/05/2008 5:28 PM |
Alert | /me waits for the "Well Clinton did this, Clinton did that..."
You hire an oilman for president and oil goes up hmmmm. Kind of like hiring Colonel Sanders for president and the price of chicken goes through the roof. Makes you wonder.... | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/05/2008 5:38 PM |
Alert | The thing that really makes me wonder is the Bushy was an oilman before he was governor. How can he act like he didn't know this was coming?
Even in Mr. Mom, the president of Scuna Tuna went on air to talk to the public about the economy and prices. All we get is, eh..it's not that bad. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 06/05/2008 11:16 PM |
Alert | Yes, I'm waiting for hastings and reagan to chime in | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1330


 | | 06/06/2008 7:24 AM |
Alert | While I take in the factor that the pres stands to make a lot of money off of oil while he is in office, there are other factors. Take China's and India's booming economies, Governments around the world trying to establish punishment taxes on it's people all under the guise of "Global Warming" and the fact that this country hasn't built an oil refinery in nearly 40 years. Which might I add is also because of the global warming folks... but the cause has changed hands from nuclear winter, to global cooling, to acid rain, to deforestation... please fill me in if I missed any of the latest militant environmental causes... there is also the fact that we have more oil in South Dakota than Saudi Arabia, yet we don't touch it. O and lets not forget Anwar, the Alaskan oil exploration site smaller than the size of 3 football fields! O and the protesting against new construction of nuclear power plants, which would in turn have us using less coal and oil to make electricity. Environmentalists are to blame way more than Bush for the price of fuel. | | All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --Edmund Burke | |
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| | missPolitick
Posts:645


 | | 06/06/2008 9:29 AM |
Alert | | Tap the Rockies baby! | | Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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| | corman
Posts:1151


 | | 06/06/2008 9:59 AM |
Alert | Congratulations to South Dakota!!! They just voted this week to approve the building of an oil refinery in that state. Maybe some other states will wake up to a new "trend" also. We are currently buying more oil from Canada than Iraq......and the Canadian "greenies" are, and have been counting the "green"$$$, for years. The democrats have done more to quell oil exploration and development in this country than we care to discuss........and leading this "charade" is "California Nancy". Regardless of political beliefs and finger pointing desires, WE the people have got to let our public political servants know that "we aren't going to take this anymore"....If nothing changes, WE will have $8 a gal price in this country. And, we will have this price because WE have allowed it....
The media continually talks about prices in Europe, and some people have the gall to think that we are lucky to be paying what we are. But, they don't tell you the complete story of what all is tied to the the high euopean prices....tax-tax-tax...and do you want all of these additional taxes in addition to what we have?
Once again, CONGRATULATIONS South Dakota.......now let's tap the Rockies, tap New Mexico, and bring oil home to where WE can have a roll in our destiny. Pointing fingers and name calling isn't solving the problem.........waking everybody up is only the first step, and that may be on a few "greenie" toes. So be it!!!!
How high does the cost of gasoline have to get before you start getting involved????? | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/06/2008 10:09 AM |
Alert | There we go....the blame game. And let's blame the environmentalists!!!!
C'mon, let's be real. The drop of the dollar has been a reason for the high cost of gas. The countries in the Middle East and Venezuela (which have worked with us in the past) are now withholding oil from us (thanks to George). What about the fact that China is drilling of the waters of Florida and George has yet to confront Cuba about this? Next time I go to Jiffy Lube I am going to be offered Won Ton soup while I wait.
As far as ANWR drilling, why wasn't anything passed between 2002 and 2007 when there was a Republican Congress and Republican president?? Drilling in ANWR will not solve our long term oil problem or give us lower prices.
Anyway, back to another part of the original post. How can an oilman, the PUS act so shocked when everyone else knew that oil prices would hit 4 dollars per gallon and he was asked about it??
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| | corman
Posts:1151


 | | 06/06/2008 10:23 AM |
Alert | Well....."Kenmore".....as usual, you aren't going to be happy unless someone agrees with your opinion..........
I respect that you don't like "Georgie"......but my point is that unless WE all start to get involved, nothing will change. Maybe we can agree on that point........this forum isn't going to solve anything if it doesn't get people off their tush, and get involved.
You and I will never agree on anything logical........and opinions are like --------, everybody has one.
Talk about the problems and solutions.........not the "stuff" that just gets your name in print.
"THINK POSITIVE"...... | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/06/2008 2:26 PM |
Alert | Corman.... This post wasn't about being happy. I am a very happy person. Go back to my original post and find my opinion...I stated facts, not opinions. I am not looking for an agreement on undisputable facts.
I do find it amusing that none of the righties will ever point a finger at Bush. When something goes wrong, it must be the fault of a liberal. Chalk it up to partisan politics I guess. Thats what this entire political forum is.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 06/06/2008 3:04 PM |
Alert | Posted By kenmoreguy72 on 06/06/2008 10:09 AM
The drop of the dollar has been a reason for the high cost of gas. Historically I could buy this, but the dollar has made recent gains and gas prices continued to shoot up. As far as ANWR drilling, why wasn't anything passed between 2002 and 2007 when there was a Republican Congress and Republican president?? Drilling in ANWR will not solve our long term oil problem or give us lower prices. Why hasn't the Democratically controlled congress implemented their "common sense" plan to reduce prices? Why haven't they worked to open up ANWR? Why do you think it won't help give us lower prices? How can increased supply not help? | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 06/06/2008 3:14 PM |
Alert | Oh, and the national average is $3.986, not $4.00. Just sayin'...  | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:992


 | | 06/06/2008 4:10 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 06/05/2008 11:16 PM
Yes, I'm waiting for hastings and reagan to chime in  You get your wish. Let us examine the facts. For decades the left have opposed drilling for oil in Alaska and off our shores, building refineries, and nuclear power. Now that India and China have greatly increased their oil demands, and we have not had a corresponding increase in supply, the old law of supply and demand takes effect and prices go up. Using the logic of the left , it is obvious that all of the above is the fault of George Bush. To respond to kenmoreguys question as to why the Rep congress did not pass legislation to drill in ANWR - You do not know the facts. Several attempts were made by republicans to do just that. The last was in December of 05. On Dec. 21,2005 a Democratic filibuster killed the plan. Do not take my word for it, look it up. There go those pesky facts again, destroying a perfectly good emotional rant. | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/06/2008 5:01 PM |
Alert | Yep...still the fault of the lefties. Hastings, I'm glad you researched that specific bill. Yes, the Democrats blocked the bill that would have allowed ANWR drilling. It's too bad that the Republicans insisted on tying in a defense spending bill to it. And once again, even by high estimates, ANWR drilling is not a long-term solution to the problem.
Can anyone answer the original question? Isn't it odd that GW is so out of touch with reality that he had no clue that 4 dollars per gallons was just around the corner? Did a liberal brainwash him? | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:992


 | | 06/06/2008 5:48 PM |
Alert | Again, you have your facts wrong, the ANWR provision was attached to the defense bill, not the other way around. The Dems filibustered to get ANWR excluded,not to defeat the defense bill. No matter how you try to duck , twist, and turn, your statement that Reps did not try to pass a bill allowing drilling in ANWR is false. Those pesky facts struck again! They tried several times an each time it was killed by the Dems. They had good reasons (in their opinion) to do so at the time, but to say years later, they did not kill the bills, is just dishonest. No one has claimed that ANWR is a long term solution, but it could ,with the help of offshore drilling, help increase supply and thus decrease prices (basic law of supply and demand). As to why Bush's crystal ball did not tell him years ago that the economies of India and China would explode and greatly increase world wide demand for oil, I have no idea. Perhaps he should have listened to all of the prominent Democrats who knew that this was going to happen. Who were they, by the way? | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/06/2008 6:05 PM |
Alert | The Democrats stopped the bill because it was a crazy idea of using 1 piece of legislation to carry another. I believe McCain even criticized Senator Steven's attempt at that. I'm not twisting anything...the Republicans didn't pass any legislation during their years in power. Fact! Show me where they did pass legislation. You can say the Democrats blocked the attempts, but in my opinion, they were right in doing so...much like this instance where Senator Stevens was out of line.
Why is it that the only way to fix the oil crisis is through drilling?? Oh yeah...because it keeps lininig the pockets of the oil industry.
Now, do you really want to go back and forth all day on something we have a difference of opinion on. The original video clip was from March. A time when gas was rising and me, you and everyone here knew that gas was probably going to hit 4 dollars a gallon.
So, for a third time....how could GW have been so clueless when someone discussed the prices of 4 dollars a gallon? Can't a right just state the obvious....Georgie is out of touch with reality? | | | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:1119


 | | 06/06/2008 6:40 PM |
Alert | Remember, the national average price of a gallon of gas was $2.10 when the Democrats took control of Congress less than 2 years ago!. Another thing to remember is that there are a number of Republicans that have been brainwashed by the global warming fraudsters, so those members are voting with the Democratic majority on environmental issues. Getting enough members in Congress to accept the fact that to be safe and not sorry, we should be pumping our own oil and not buying any from other countries isn't easy to do. On the bright side, we're only buying about 18% of our oil from other countries, so if increasing our own production was made a priority beginning tomorrow, we just might be able to pull through this mess in a few years without our economy being totally wrecked! | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 06/06/2008 7:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By kenmoreguy72 on 06/06/2008 5:01 PM
Yep...still the fault of the lefties. How are you doing any differently by constantly blaming the Republicans? The Democrats stopped the bill because it was a crazy idea of using 1 piece of legislation to carry another. Democrats are no stranger to this tactic.
If you're going to complain about partisanship, then why aren't you taking swipes at Pelosi for her statement: "Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels."
As Cactus Rob points out, prices have gone way up. Where is that commonsense plan? Did you fall off the turnip truck yesterday?  | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:992


 | | 06/06/2008 7:11 PM |
Alert | OMG. If you think that attaching a different provision to a bill in order to get it passed is a crazy idea, you must of had a very bad US History teacher.This is how thing have been done almost since the beginning of the Republic. The Democratic Congress is doing the exact same thing this year, as every Congress does every year. On this subject, I find you logic confusing. You fault the Reps for not passing drilling legislation, then you praise the Dems for blocking the legislation. So, in effect, the Reps are bad for not being able to get the bill passed, and the Dems are good for not allowing the bill to be passed. One more time, basic economics 101, in order to lower the price of a commodity you must increase the supply or reduce the demand, As more and more nations industrialize and grow their economies (India and China are the biggest examples of this) demand will continue to grow. Conservation efforts are all well and good but overall world wide demand for oil is going to go up.So, demand is not going down. That leaves us with supply. So far as I know, drilling is the only way to get more oil. If you know of another way please share. We are not going back and forth over opinions. You voiced opinions, I pointed out facts that demonstrate that your opinions are in error. At no time have I voiced an opinion (maybe once, when I said that you must of had a bad history teacher). I just point out verifiable facts. If these facts do not mesh with your preconceived world view perhaps you should consider a more fact based view of things. | | | |
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| | kenmoreguy72
Posts:222

 | | 06/07/2008 12:08 AM |
Alert | Another way beside drilling? Hmm...Georgies plan of liberating the Iraqis so they would sell us oil for the price of peanuts didn;t work out so well. How about investing in alternative fuel exploration? How about working with countries that have oil. Supply is not down. Our supply is down because countries are shutting us off. I realize that by doing the listed things that the rightiy oil companies would lose profit, but so be it. Oil companies are in this for a profit. They are interested in drilling...not exploring alternative fuel sources. Also, once again, ANWR drilling is not going to cut oil prices. Jason...of course Democrats and Republicans have made choices that have not helped the consumer and oil. The original post, once again, asks about Georgie and his inexcusable non-understanding of of oil...even though he was an oilman. That question has yet to be answered. I have only heard swipes at the left. Hastings...as much as you would like to believe, there is no liberal influence of the price of oil. The price of oil is mainly controlled but the oil industries. I never said the Reps were bad for not getting legislation passed. I simply pointed out that they did not do so. If they were serious about it, they would've crossed party lines...as would've the Dems. So, back to the orignal post. Can't a righty admit that Georgie has no clue? | | | |
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