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naneki1990User is Offline

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05/19/2008 9:02 PM Alert 

I am a parent of a Freshman student at MHS and wanted to send this little tid bit out to other parents. My child came home from school today talking about a movie that is being shown in his math class. He stated that the teacher is not returning next year and wanted to leave the students with a great impression. I am Christian and I am aware that there are many people of faith in this town and after watching "The Secret" my husband and I are infuriated that this movie is being shown without ever being sent home a permission slip. This movie is being deemed as a positive thinking documentary type, however it is not just that. It is teaching how we are in TOTAL control of our lives - that God is not part of the equation!! It is in it's own way it's own religion. Parents I realize everyone is allowed their own view and if you feel that ,though you are followers of Christ, you are OK with your children viewing this movie I am in no way judging you for that, I am however letting everyone know that while our children are not allowed to pray over their luches at school they are right now in one class being informed that everything is up to them and God is not in control. Since my husband and I received no information on this movie I am assuming no other parents did as well so I thought I would inform you.

 

 

EEEUser is Offline

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05/19/2008 9:33 PM Alert 

Thanks for sharing that.  It's disgusting how there is a double standard in the public school system.  

 

Although I am against the school showing the secret, I'm not against for Christians to watch and learn what the Secret or any popular Heresy teach as long as they are still equipping themselves with the truths from God's Word to combat those false teachings.  I think the parents need to learn what the Secret(or any Heresy) teaches and then they should sit down with their kids and discuss what the bible teaches and then teach them how the Secret contradicts God's word.

 

These are great times for "equipped" Christians Kids to respond to their peers with God's word and lead them to Christ when the converstaion about the Secret comes up.

 

 

 

I quickly found this link that responded with bible verses to many of "the Secrets" quotes.  I really didn't have much time to review it, but hopefully it's helpful.

Secret Quote: "The power within you is greater than the power that's in the world."

1 John 4:4b, (NIV): "... the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."

1 John 4:1-4 (CEV): "Dear friends, don't believe everyone who claims to have the Spirit of God. Test them all to find out if they really do come from God. Many false prophets have already gone out into the world, and you can know which ones come from God. His Spirit says that Jesus Christ had a truly human body. But when someone doesn't say this about Jesus, you know that person has a spirit that doesn't come from God and is the enemy of Christ. You knew that this enemy was coming into the world and now is already here. Children, you belong to God, and you have defeated these enemies. God's Spirit is in you and is more powerful than the one that is in the world."
(emphasis mine--it is God's Spirit in us, not some generic "power," and we do not control the Holy Spirit)

Secret Quote: "There is no blackboard in the sky on which God has written your purpose, your mission in life. ... Your purpose is what you say it is. Your mission is the mission you give yourself."

 

Romans 12:1-2 (NLT): "And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him. Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect." (emphasis mine)

Psalm 139:3-4: "You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD."

Jeremiah 29:11:
" 'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.' "

Deuteronomy 13:4-5 (CEV): "You must be completely faithful to the LORD. Worship and obey only the LORD and do this with fear and trembling, because he rescued you from slavery in Egypt. If a prophet tells you to disobey the LORD your God and to stop worshiping him, then that prophet is evil and must be put to death.

Secret Quote: "Your life will be what you create it as, and no one will stand in judgment of it, now or ever."

Matthew 7:21-23: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' "

Matthew 25:31-34, 41: "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world." (31-34) ... "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' " (41)

Secret Quote: "You have God potential and power."
Secret Quote: "You are eternal life. You are source energy. You are God manifested in human form."

1 John 5:20 (CEV): "We know that Jesus Christ the Son of God has come and has shown us the true God. And because of Jesus, we now belong to the true God who gives eternal life."

Exodus 20:1-7: "And God spoke all these words: 'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments. You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.' " (emphasis mine)

John 14:6: "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' "

John 3:36 (CEV): [John the Baptist speaking] "Everyone who has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever."

Secret Quote: "It's not your job to change the world or the people around you. It's your job to go with the flow of the universe and to celebrate it inside of the world that exists."

Matthew 28:19-20: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Acts 1:6-8: "So when they met together, they asked him, 'Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?' He said to them: 'It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.' "

Daniel 12:3 (CEV): "Everyone who has been wise will shine as bright as the sky above, and everyone who has led others to please God will shine like the stars."

Hebrews 11:1-2, 29-30, 32-34(CEV): "Faith makes us sure of what we hope for and gives us proof of what we cannot see. It was their faith that made our ancestors pleasing to God." (1-2) ... "Because of their faith, the people walked through the Red Sea on dry land. But when the Egyptians tried to do it, they were drowned. God's people had faith, and when they had walked around the city of Jericho for seven days, its walls fell down." (29-30) ... "What else can I say? There isn't enough time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and the prophets. Their faith helped them conquer kingdoms, and because they did right, God made promises to them. They closed the jaws of lions and put out raging fires and escaped from the swords of their enemies. Although they were weak, they were given the strength and power to chase foreign armies away." (32-34)

Matthew 5:14-16 (CEV): "You are like light for the whole world. A city built on top of a hill cannot be hidden, and no one would light a lamp and put it under a clay pot. A lamp is placed on a lampstand, where it can give light to everyone in the house. Make your light shine, so that others will see the good that you do and will praise your Father in heaven."


http://h-n-t.blogspot.com/2007/04/secret-versus-bible.html


Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/
But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/
The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/
to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/
NervannaUser is Offline

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05/19/2008 9:42 PM Alert 

http://www.thesecret.tv/

Here is a link where you can view the video for yourself. I had never heard of it before today, although I am familiar with the concept of the law of attraction. I never knew it was a religious sort of thing.

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05/21/2008 4:21 PM Alert 

So, the math scores in Maricopa's schools are so high that a math teacher can use class time to show a movie that has nothing to do with math. I think not. Is such use of class time approved by the administration?

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05/22/2008 8:50 PM Alert 
Mrs. A,

I think you are letting your Christian values cloud your judgment about this movie. I am a staunch Roman Catholic and had no problem with the movie or the book. The teacher should not have shown the movie with out it being cleared by the principal first and he didn't. But what is done done, drop it. You should be glad your son came home and talked to you about it.
JasonYUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 7:51 AM Alert 
A Public school shouldn't be showing anything of any one particular religious viewpoint. Can they show a video then of Muslim extremists preaching about the death of infidels?

"Your village called.........they're missing their idiot"
cavemanUser is Offline

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05/23/2008 3:48 PM Alert 
The secret has nothing to do with religion. Why are you getting so upset? This is also a double post, you posted this in the schools and education forum.
hastings1066User is Offline

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05/23/2008 4:17 PM Alert 

The secret has nothing to do with religion. Why are you getting so upset? This is also a double post, you posted this in the schools and education forum

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I have not seen the movie but ,from the reaction of some on this forum, it does seem to have some religious significance

 

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05/27/2008 12:54 PM Alert 
Posted By pissedparent on 05/22/2008 8:50 PM
Mrs. A,

I think you are letting your Christian values cloud your judgment about this movie.



Shouldn't her Christian values be used to evaluate every situation in her life, this one included?!   The Bible should be, for Christians, lifes instruction manual and this movie seems to be teaching against that.  What Bible believing family in their right mind would want their vulnerable son or daughter to see this movie without a true Christian there to explain?  Only then can it be used as an example.

 

 

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05/29/2008 3:13 PM Alert 

Geez..this is exactly why religion can be so distorted...just because some ideas differ from your religion should not be a reason to ban exposure. For goodness sakes, don't you want your children to be free thinkers and not little clones that can only regurgitate bible verses? This should be a "teaching moment," and an opportunity to talk with your children and to learn more about what and how they think. If you are SO secure in your faith and what you have taught your children, you should not be so freaked out. Just my opinion. Which is what this open forum is about. However, feel free to chew me out for having an opinion.  I'm bracing myself.

DaybyDayUser is Offline

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05/29/2008 3:30 PM Alert 
I think you are correct in this. But, parents should be given the choice of whether they want to have their child watch this video AND given the opportunity to prep them if they say its okay. Too many of our Christian values are being hung out to dry in our society. If, say the teacher had shown a pro-Christian video, say "Left Behind" or "The Passion of Jesus Christ" don't you think there would have been a huge uproar?! Would you still be agreeing that all children should be exposed? i think this forum would explode and the topic would be longer than one page.

Children do not leave their strongly held beliefs at the school house door. I am sure this mother did use this opportunity to talk to her child, I would have. But, the teacher was in the wrong to just show the video without prior approval and parental consent. Afterall, you have to get consent for everything these days.
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05/29/2008 6:25 PM Alert 

Posted By DaybyDay on 05/29/2008 3:30 PM
I think you are correct in this. But, parents should be given the choice of whether they want to have their child watch this video AND given the opportunity to prep them if they say its okay.

Do they need to be prepped for a video in a health class as well? How about history class?

Too many of our Christian values are being hung out to dry in our society. If, say the teacher had shown a pro-Christian video, say "Left Behind" or "The Passion of Jesus Christ" don't you think there would have been a huge uproar?!

Yes there would be an upraor because that would be promoting a religion. This movie does not promote a religion. Do you get mad when they teach evolution in schools? Should your children be exposed to that or intelligent creation in a SCIENCE class?


Children do not leave their strongly held beliefs at the school house door. I am sure this mother did use this opportunity to talk to her child, I would have. But, the teacher was in the wrong to just show the video without prior approval and parental consent. Afterall, you have to get consent for everything these days.

Should you have to get permission to show an educational video at school? How about sesame street? The original poster is way out of line and needs to stop sheltering their children. Half of the time kids that are that sheltered either rebel and go to drugs or get into the real world and have no idea how to interact in it.

 

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05/29/2008 7:27 PM Alert 
Do you get mad when they teach evolution in schools?

Yes.

Should you have to get permission to show an educational video at school?


It depends on what they were trying to educate with it.

This movie does not promote a religion.


Maybe not directly. But it promotes something that many Christian parents would be upset about.
JCarpUser is Offline

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05/29/2008 8:17 PM Alert 
This movie does not promote a religion.


What is religion? Isn't it a strongly held belief? (Link to dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion) I believe that Atheism falls into that definition and that is currently the only acceptable religion that is being preached to our children at our public schools at this time. A bit one sided I think...
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05/29/2008 8:20 PM Alert 

Do you get mad when they teach evolution in schools?


No.

I get mad when all they teach is one particular theory and try to pass it off as an absolute fact.

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05/29/2008 8:52 PM Alert 

I am surprised that some parents are concerned about the content of the movie and the other side is defending the content. What you all should be upset about is the fact that a math teacher used up valuable class time showing a movie that had nothing to do with math! With the pitiful math scores of US students when compared to other nations, it is inexcusable that the already insufficient time devoted to math instruction be wasted in such a way.

In my 30 years of teaching I had to turn in lesson plans that described what I would be teaching and how it would be taught. Any AV materials used had to be on the districts approved list (made up by teachers and approved by the board). All AV used in a class had to be relevant to that class. Some questions should be asked of this teacher and of the administration. If I was a parent I would want to know if this movie was approved by the board. Was the movie included in the teachers lesson plan? Did the department head or administrator approve of this movie's use in this math class? If it was approved, what was the rational for the approval?

As a world history teacher I did teach sections about the religions of the people and regions we studied (movies were part of that process). You can not teach the history of a people honestly without explaining their religion. So my student learned the basic religious doctrines of the  Egyptians, Greco/Romans, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims and Hindus among others. Movies about such subjects have there place in school, but that place is not a math class. And teaching about a religion should never evolve into proselytizing.

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06/03/2008 1:20 PM Alert 
Posted By maricopamoon on 05/29/2008 3:13 PM

For goodness sakes, don't you want your children to be free thinkers and not little clones that can only regurgitate bible verses? This should be a "teaching moment," and an opportunity to talk with your children and to learn more about what and how they think. 



Wow!  No, I don't want my child to be a free thinker, especially if you mean in in the way I think you mean it.  And as far as calling our children "little clones that can only regurgitate bible verses", I would like to know what is wrong with being able to quote Gods word?!

I do agree with you that this video COULD have been a great teaching moment, the problem is parents didn't know about it beforehand which left them with no opportunity at all, just the fact that their kids saw a video that taught them ideas that go completely against their faith and Gods word.  This is a problem for many parents who believe that the Bible is the word of God and  are teaching their children to respect it as such.   And it is fine if you don't mind your children watching this movie and hearing its ideas as though they were fact, you have that right.  But why would you treat a Christian parent as though they have any less rights than you?!  This movie does state for fact things that Bible believers don't agree with.  

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06/03/2008 1:44 PM Alert 

Good grief! I'm surprised at how inflamatory this silly little movie was. Some parents are up in arms about anything with a religious undertone making its way to their children's curricula. Other parents are up in arms about anything that contradicts their religious belief making its way to their children's curricula. The ONLY problem I see here (and hastings hit the nail on the head) is that this video has ZIP to do with math: the class it was shown in.

I'm not religious. I'm not anti-religion either. I want my kids to be exposed to both options and any in between so that they can decide what they want to believe. I would never dream of dictating that to them. I'm fine with almost anything being taught as long as it's not presented as an absolute (or inappropriate for their age).

What amazes me is that this topic is littered across the entire forum in a bazillion and two places. Time wasted griping here over and over could have been better spent discussing it with one's child and the school staff.  I do not envy in the slightest those in education's attempt to design and implement lessons to satisfy all.  Seems like a dam*ed if you do, dam*ed if you don't field.

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06/03/2008 3:56 PM Alert 
Posted By Bionicbunny on 05/27/2008 12:54 PM
Posted By pissedparent on 05/22/2008 8:50 PM
Mrs. A,

I think you are letting your Christian values cloud your judgment about this movie.



Shouldn't her Christian values be used to evaluate every situation in her life, this one included?!   The Bible should be, for Christians, lifes instruction manual and this movie seems to be teaching against that.  What Bible believing family in their right mind would want their vulnerable son or daughter to see this movie without a true Christian there to explain?  Only then can it be used as an example.

 

 


if that is the case, why doesn't she have her son go to a christian school if she is so worried about what he is going to see in public school that may differ from their religious beliefs?? i also take offense that this is a double post and she came to the "religion" thread hoping to find a different answer. like those of us who believe in God will feel differently here than reading it under the school posts? i believe in God and would say the same thing i did in the other post!


this time i want a smart president!
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06/03/2008 4:36 PM Alert 
MW - I am sorry if you feel "offended" that I put this on 3 different posts - however you are so very incorrect about your statement that I did so to get different answers from those of faith. I did this to allow other parents a choice in what their children's education was involving that day and I did so on the different posts to ensure that all parents that go to these forums would be able to read it. Not all parents read the religous forum.

I am so deeply saddened that a person can try to help other parents out when things are going on at the schools that other parents are unaware of. I realized before writing the post that many parents would not agree with how I choose to raise my children or my views and beliefs and that is fine. Everyone, including myself, has the right to raise their children the way they see fit. However, I again feel sad to know that, as it appears to be so widely written on these posts, that anyone who feels that other parents deserve to know what is going on with their children will be forever slammed for telling them. Parents need and have the right to know if there is things going on at the schools that they are unaware of, whether they feel what that situation is, is OK or not, they have the right to know. And as much as people have been slamming me against the wall for doing so I will continue because it is the right thing to do.
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