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jhallUser is Offline

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05/09/2008 10:18 AM Alert 

http://consumerist.com/5008376/hidden-hybrid-automobile-dangers-what-you-should-know-about-emfs

Of course, you've heard of hybrid automobiles but most people haven't heard of their increased health risk compared to traditional vehicles. According to the New York Times, strong electromagnetic fields (EMFs) emanating from high voltage power cables located near the driver can be hazardous to your health, yet the government doesn't even test for EMF's in vehicles. Details, inside...

"Hybrids" are vehicles that use an electric power motor which assists a more traditional gasoline-fueled combustion engine. Unlike traditional vehicles, hybrids need to move a large amount of electricity near the driver which cause electromagnetic fields or EMFs. Many drivers are in their cars for hours at a time, making this exposure is prolonged, thus increasing the health risk. This has many drivers concerned. The article says,

Their concern is not without merit; agencies including the National Institutes of Health and the National Cancer Institute acknowledge the potential hazards of long-term exposure to a strong electromagnetic field, or E.M.F., and have done studies on the association of cancer risks with living near high-voltage utility lines.

EMFs are a byproduct of electricity, therefore, virtually every device that uses electricity produces some level of EMF. Generally, the more electricity that is involved, the stronger the EMF will be. However, there is no general agreement or federal standard that says what level of EMF's are hazardous. Currently the government does not do safety tests on the strength of EMF's in hybrid vehicles.

Much of this new concern over EMFs has stemmed from the use of inexpensive field-strength detectors such as the "TriField" meter which sells for $145. The article says,

The TriField meter is made by AlphaLab in Salt Lake City. The company’s president, Bill Lee, defends its use for automotive testing even though the meter is set up to test alternating current fields, whereas the power moving to and from a hybrid vehicle’s battery is direct current. “Generally, an A.C. meter is accurate in detecting large electromagnetic fields or microwaves,” he said.

Automakers argue that such instruments cannot make consistent and meaningful readings, however, there is anecdotal evidence of hybrid vehicle EMFs causing health problems. Neysa Linzer, 58, says that since she bought her Honda Civic Hybrid her blood pressure has increased and that she has fallen asleep at the wheel 3 times. She believes her hybrid is causing her health problems, "I never had a sleepiness problem before," she said. She requested that Honda provide her with shielding material to protect her from the fields but Honda declined.

Driver, Brian Collins decided to test his Honda Insight with a Trifield meter. He received readings of 135 milligauss at the hip and 100 milligauss at the upper torso. Considering his VW Van only measures between 1-2 milligauss, he decided to sell his hybrid at a $7000 loss. The article says,

Lawrence Gust of Ventura, Calif., a consultant with a specialty in E.M.F.’s and electrical sensitivity, was one of the electrical engineers who tested Mr. Collins’s Insight in 2001. He agreed that the readings were high but did not want to speculate on whether they were harmful. “There are big blocks of high-amp power being moved around in a hybrid, the equivalent of horsepower,” he said. “I get a lot of clients who ask if they should buy hybrid electric cars, and I say the jury is still out.”

New technology often comes with new risks. Naturally, reduced gasoline consumption is a good thing but we should not ignore possible risks as these vehicles gain popularity. We encourage the government and automakers to be more forthcoming with thorough EMF research so that we don't end up paying a higher price down the road.

Fear, but Few Facts, on Hybrid Risk [NY Times] (Thanks to Justin!)


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05/09/2008 10:19 AM Alert 
Kinda scary

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05/09/2008 12:27 PM Alert 
What's even more scary is that the magnetic field of the earth is 500mG, which is 4-5x the amount from the hybrid! AHHH! Get me off the earth!

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05/09/2008 5:14 PM Alert 
An MRI can put you in a 15 kilo gauss field for up to a 1/2 hour.
Magnetic fields have never been proved to have health effects detrimental to biological life. Now microwave radio waves can cause ionizing effects that could help start cancer but low levels from cell phones have not shown bad effects
I am retired from Stanford University high energy physics research.

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05/09/2008 8:19 PM Alert 
And Poobaa, I always thought of you as a bean counter

I will take my chances with EMF if it gets rid of the cloud I see over Phoenix each morning when I drive my Prius to work.

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05/10/2008 11:38 AM Alert 

wow, DD has a double shot

 

Drives a hybrid and lives near Big power lines. 

 

How far to you have to drive to haul your water, DD?


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05/10/2008 11:46 AM Alert 

We have a well. But I do tend to glow in the dark seeing as how the nearest street light is 17 miles away. Whenever I get tired of being green, I fire up the Yukon.  Every ten miles of driving in that beast wipes out a week of ownership of the Prius.


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05/10/2008 6:25 PM Alert 
Posted By poobaa on 05/09/2008 5:14 PM
An MRI can put you in a 15 kilo gauss field for up to a 1/2 hour.
Magnetic fields have never been proved to have health effects detrimental to biological life. Now microwave radio waves can cause ionizing effects that could help start cancer but low levels from cell phones have not shown bad effects
I am retired from Stanford University high energy physics research.

 

 

 

Now you're speaking my language baby! So most MRI scanners (superconducting electromagnets) are 15000 Gauss or more commonly called 1.5 Tesla. Now alot of imaging centers and hospitals are trying to put in 3 Tesla scanners. That translates to far superior image quality (better for diagnosing), but also an increase in the Specific Absorbion Rate (SAR) of the patient. Which means that it will "cook" them or "microwave" them faster. Luckily, you have to enter the patient's weight before you can scan them and the software knows what the allowable SAR is for the patient. (Some scans can last 2 hours+ if the patient can tolerate it! Ativan, Xanax, Valium, and Versed are gifts from God.)

So.....maybe people should have to type in their body weight before they can start driving and the car will shut off when they've exceeded their milage to body weight ratio.


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05/11/2008 12:22 AM Alert 
Posted By poobaa on 05/09/2008 5:14 PM
Magnetic fields have never been proved to have health effects detrimental to biological life.



Actually, they can increase your risk for brain cancer:

Brain cancer and occupational exposure to magnetic fields among men: results from a Canadian population-based case-control study

Conclusions Our findings support the hypothesis that occupational magnetic field exposure increases the risk of glioblastoma multiforme.

Now, granted there is a difference between a Prius and the magentic fields in occupational settings. It probably warrants more study to determine if the Prius has an effect.


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05/11/2008 1:32 PM Alert 

Good grief. Switch to corn and grocery costs go up. Switch to electric sources and you get brain cancer. Stick with oil and you've got more of what we already have.

I would like to hear more about the hydrogen cars that supposedly emit wator vapor, nothing more. Now that sounds like a plan. I think they have them in Iceland or something.

 

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