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darin45
Posts:144


 | | 05/28/2008 8:36 PM |
Alert | Ok...the GF and I attended the HOA meeting and in the beginning, it wasnt half bad. Good to know about the skeeters' and that we need to call Pinal county when we find standing water...Nobody wants the West Nile virus! But then the wheels fell off the bus! let me start off by saying I dont like paying about $85 per month in fees but the HOA staff brought up a good point, what are YOU doing about the issues happening here? Prolly nothing, I imagine! By reporting someone who has an out-of-state plate is NOT gonna solve a crime issue! It's OUR community...we make it what it is. Are we JUST the area at the back of Honeycutt? I mean do YOU take the time to remove the weeds in your yard? Better yet, would you remove the weeds from a NEIGHBORS yard that was foreclosed or is that "someone elses problem"? How about we leave it for 'Copa Cares to clean it up! LOL This is what I'm talking about! Newsflash...the HOA fees dont cover overgrown weeds in your yard or your neighbors. This is one time I wish the HOA would start fining people who dont follow rules! And speaking about rules....they CLEARLY said please wait till the end of the meeting, then they will address any issues...BUT sure enough, hands popped up all over the place. So much for following directions, we cant even wait to ask questions let alone follow our HOA rules LOL! (I'll get off that soapbox) I'm sorry if this comes off rude and crude, but granted there have been some HOA issues with things not being done in a timely fashion, it's a 50/50 street guys.. My $.02, | | "...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
| | ladyNcopa
Posts:37

 | | 05/28/2008 10:05 PM |
Alert | | So Darin what I think you are saying is nothing is going to change and they are putting the fault on the over grown weeds back on the community? I didn't buy here to live in a commune. | | | |
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| | darin45
Posts:144


 | | 05/29/2008 7:40 AM |
Alert | I didnt buy here to live in a commune as well. I bought here because I liked that fact that it was away from the main rd and is tucked away in Maricopa and like most folks here, hoped to live in a awesome area and possibly make a return on my investment years to come.
With that being said, yes I have been alittle disappointed in the area.There are things that need to be addressed by the HOA that have taken longer to fix or replace (ie grass, sniper tower, broken curbing in the roundabout etc) but my concern is more of BEYOND those things, what are WE doing about whats happening on our streets? The same people that moan and groan over issues are the same people that would dare pick a weed or trash in a neighbors yard if the home was vacant or not. Or better yet, will not take the few extra seconds to pickup a few weeds or trash next to the mailbox area...they always shift the blame on someone else (ie HOA).
I hope more people get involved in there communites and neighborhoods, myself included. if you see stuff like cars parked on the grass at the Tot-Lot, cars parked on the landscaping (yard) of a home or common places or anything else "tacky" by all means call the HOA or MPD, but some of minor stuff can be taken care of on our own.
| | "...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:637


 | | 05/29/2008 8:00 AM |
Alert | | while i see your points darin and agree with them as well...i also personally think our country let alone our part of it in maricopa doesnt have any personal accountability....yes it would be great if everyone pitched in to help others out by picking their weeds or picking up their trash...but at what point does the person who these things belong to come forward and take some action on their own...i feel that the more people "help" others out with their problems it will give those lazy individuals even less motivation to do things on their own...our welfare system is a fine metaphor for this...the more you just give them what they want the less they will want to get off their butts and be a solution to the problem instead of part of it... | | *formerly known as inyrfce2* Senior Member Posts: 797 Joined: Dec 2006 | |
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| | darin45
Posts:144


 | | 05/29/2008 8:17 AM |
Alert | TG- this is true...i totally see your point! the only way to get some people to act right is to hit them where it hurts...their WALLETS! LOL! if i had to pay $20+ each time the HOA noticed an unkept home, trust me i wouldnt do it! Right now, we are in a phase where the HOA hasnt really enforced this, so its a free-for-all to let thing get outta hand. Hopefully, when they get fully established, they will make this a priority.
TG- U didnt miss that much last night...there were some good points (i.e. the mesquitos in the Pinal area and also the beginning stages of a neighborhood watch program. Also they showed some slides of what is proposed in the future...) | | "...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:637


 | | 05/29/2008 8:55 AM |
Alert | | darin....what were the slides showing for the future? | | *formerly known as inyrfce2* Senior Member Posts: 797 Joined: Dec 2006 | |
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| | Karen
Posts:17

 | | 05/29/2008 8:55 AM |
Alert | Ya know... I bought here because I love my house, and it's not offered in any other communities or I wouldn't have bought here. That being said... 2+ years of being in an hoa controlled area, why are things NOT being fully enforced yet?
I'm a single mom working 2 jobs with 3 kids, yet I manage to keep my yard looking pristine. I do pick up trash and pull the occasional weed in both of my neighbors houses, but I don't have time to go out and EVERYONE elses weeds. Honestly, it shouldn't be my problem. This is what the hoa is for! To find these homeowners and fine them or whatever they need to do to keep the area looking nice. I am doing what I need to do to keep my area looking nice, but I can't do it all. If I wanted to live in a weed infested area I would have stayed at my old house in tempe where there was no hoa, and weeds were everywhere and cars were everywhere and absolutely nothing was maintained by anyone!
So what exactly ARE these two hoa girls that we HAVE to keep on staff doing if they aren't enforcing anything? Besides collecting our $85 each month that is.
I don't care what the proposed stuff is going to look like, when the current stuff looks like crap! Isn't that area still on hold anyway? | | | |
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| | tdog24
Posts:6

 | | 05/29/2008 9:03 AM |
Alert | I did not buy out here to take care of someone else's property. We have an HOA that is suppose to enforce the rules that they have set up. Why do we pay such an outragoues fee if they are not going to do their job. There are plenty of other HOA's that function perfectly fine with lower monthly dues. Most communities have all their ammentities installed prior to houses being built, we have to wait for the 3 phases to be completed. It's a bunch of crab. We are paying over 200K for having onsite personel. We are also paying over 500K for landscaping that looks terrible. Management needs to do more to save cost and encourage people to move out here. | | | |
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| | janelltaz
Posts:13

 | | 05/29/2008 9:09 AM |
Alert | A community is not a "commune". Here is the definition, I think that it needs to be looked at by the Tortosa COMMUNITY!!!
community adj 1: affecting the people or community as a whole; "community leaders"; "community interests"; "the public welfare" [syn: community, public] 2: belonging to and maintained by and for the local community; "community parks" n 1: a group of people living in a particular local area; "the team is drawn from all parts of the community" 2: a group of people having ethnic or cultural or religious characteristics in common; "the Christian community of the apostolic age"; "he was well known throughout the Catholic community" 3: common ownership; "they shared a community of possessions" 4: a group of nations having common interests; "they hoped to join the NATO community" 5: the body of people in a learned occupation; "the news spread rapidly through the medical community" [syn: profession] 6: agreement as to goals; "the preachers and the bootleggers found they had a community of interests" [syn: community of interests] 7: a district where people live; occupied primarily by private residences [syn: residential district, residential area] 8: (ecology) a group of interdependent organisms inhabiting the same region and interacting with each other [syn: biotic community]
My husband and I moved to Maricopa because we love the small town feel it has. We have no young children as ours are all grown, but still love the community feel it has. The Movies in the Park, the Salsa Festival etc... Getting people to come together to enjoy the place that we all live in and be proud of. I also agree that we need to "hold people accountable" for things, but sometimes, people truly need some help. Sometimes it is hard for people to ask for help, and just give up when times are tough. If you have the ability to step up to the plate and help your neighborhood and neighbor out by either pulling or spraying a weed killer from ACE or whereever for a few minutes of your day, what would it hurt? If it is a vacant home, and no one is taking care of it, why not take the time to just pull or spray? It does not take much time or energy.
anyway..that is my $.02 as well. | | | |
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| | darin45
Posts:144


 | | 05/29/2008 10:37 AM |
Alert | well I think there is kinda a misunderstanding....i dont expect people to run out and clean everyone elses weeds. its too hot for that! LOL! But we all know there are houses sitting vacant that look a hot mess and most of the time most direct neighbors just let it go...with that being said, who is gonna fine the homeowner? No one lives there! Plus do you like coming home and seeing the house next door or or 2 over, look like a jungle? I dont and its depressing. Its bad enough our houses are not worth a d*mn right now. Prime example, there was a house that I believe is empty in the Barcelona community, where I live, that the front was soooo overgrown that the tree was leaning wayyyy over cuz it was not trimmed and the weeds were as high as the front door!! "Someone" finally cleaned it up afew days ago and it looks 10x's better! (Props to whoever did that!)
What i'm talking about is the "little" stuff like a few weeds next to the mailbox, removing un-authorized signage on mailboxs, blown trash like Frys bags in a yard and stuff like that. Why leave it for the next guy?
I've been to a few communities in Maricopa and a few of them they look ran down. I remember 3 yrs back when I used to visit someone that lived in RED, I thought that place looked AWESOME! Now, it just looks OK. Some of the houses there look "jacked up". Even the entrance looks messed up with the "cobblestone" all messed up....I dont want Tortosa to end up that way!
Until the HOA starts issuing fines, this stuff is gonna continue..but I tell us this, once you start getting notices to pay, people will act right! God, I wish that day would come soon! | | "...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | darin45
Posts:144


 | | 05/29/2008 11:20 AM |
Alert | TG- the slides showed the past events that were held in the community and then they explained that they plan on doing covered tot-lots in the final phases of Tortosa, although the lots you see now will prolly NOT be covered, just Tortosa South. Also they plan on finishing the tot lot in parcel 10 (Homelife) since its half-way done.
They are finally gonna fix the broken curbing in the roundabout 2 week of June | | "...you knew that before you came here"- The 85239.com's stupid answer to every comment" | |
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| | WAgirl33
Posts:11


 | | 05/29/2008 2:18 PM |
Alert | I feel that most of the home-owners in Tortosa feel the same way. I do not think that the renters here feel anything. There are many rented homes in our community and it is hard to get the renters to follow the rules when they are not enforced by the actual owners. Like the HOA women said, the notices and pictures go to both the renter and the owner, but it is the owners of the property that needs to make their renters clean-up. The builder's vacant homes are fairly clean. The bank-owned/forclosures are a mess and the HOA company needs community help to keep up on them. I chose to add my name to the volunteer list last night. For Copa Cares. I maintain my yard and the empty yard next door because the house has never been sold by the builder. I do not mind helping with the unsold or vacant homes, but I REFUSE to help if the home is occupied by the the actual owner who should be cleaning their own yard or paying the fines if they don't. If the unsold and vacant homes are all cleaned up it will make the 'lazy' neighbor's home stand out like a sore thumb and may force them to do something because they will not want to be the only ugly house on the street. It is going to be a long time before Tortosa is finished and it is up to the whole community to do their part by following the HOA rules.
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| | maricopamoon
Posts:39

 | | 05/29/2008 2:56 PM |
Alert | Hi everyone...I attended last nights meeting and while I am not happy with the current state of our community, I also have to say that those of us who care are going to have to pick up some of the slack. The HOA is not able (legally) to do some of the things that we wish they could! I know, not a popular statement. With that said, I agree with darin45. The sad fact of the matter is that there are people living amongst us (renters and homeowners) who just don't care about keeping up their yard, nor are they concerned with how this negatively affects all of us as a whole. Sorry responsible people, but you can't change the fact that others have no pride in their home or their neighborhood. It sucks big time! I moved here with the intention of living here long term, like many of us that came to the meeting. I am concerned with who will be moving into our neighborhoods and I am hopeful that a nicer looking neighborhood will attract a better quality resident. The crappier the neighborhoods look, the less likely a person/family that would take pride in their home is to want to buy next to the house with weeds that are five feet tall. So, like it or not, we are going to have to rely on more than our HOA to keep our neighborhoods looking decent. I signed up to help clean up, and I hope that more people will add their names to the list. If we get em cleaned up, the landscape company agreed to spray the yards to help keep the weeds from coming back. Let's just do it...wishing that the weeds would "just get taken care of" is not making our streets look any better. By the way, I am not happy about doing it...but if I'm going to moan and groan, doing something about it at least legitimizes all of my complaining!  | | | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:409

 | | 05/29/2008 4:07 PM |
Alert | Are they still only looking at properties only once a quarter?
Was grass/landscaping for the Savano (Atruis) tot lot discussed?
Is there a time frame for phase II work to restart?
What is being done about the common areas and how they look?
They raised our rates in January expecting that common areas in Phase II would be at least partially in place by March - they are not, are they going to raise the rate again when the reason they were raised in January 'fell through'?
Have they considered reducing office supply costs by sending out e-newsletters instead of snail mail? Have they thought to ask homeowners to volunteer to receive e-newsletters instead of snail mail?
I wasn't able to attend last night. My husband had mtgs, and bringing the kids would have been counter-productive.
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| | caveman
Posts:972


 | | 05/29/2008 6:10 PM |
Alert | | How about not having anyone on site? That seems to be the biggest expense and they don't fine people so what does it matter if things are handled in Scottsdale? | | | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:637


 | | 05/29/2008 6:46 PM |
Alert | agreed caveman!...
darin...i happened to drive by when they were cleaning up the house on the corner in barcelona that you eluded too...there were two vehicles there but didnt notice any company ensignia on the sides...so who knows who it was...but that tree got knocked over because of the wind and its good to see that they saved it
i wonder if elite is going to ever pay their contractors again as there are several homes that are in the process of being built and no one has been working on them for weeks now....i noticed that desert passage had people working on homes in their community...i sure hope our builders step up...as that is a major part of the problem along with the lack luster HOA we have...i also noticed for not having many homes rancho mirage sure has beautiful well-kept green grass belts along honeycutt road...very interesting and i bet their HOA fee is lower then ours | | *formerly known as inyrfce2* Senior Member Posts: 797 Joined: Dec 2006 | |
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| | love@hm
Posts:409

 | | 05/30/2008 8:42 AM |
Alert | | Their HOA, along with Desert Passage and I *think* Sorrento, are the same as ours. The difference between Desert Passage and us is they have a pool and a couple other amenities that we do not. Rancho Mirage has their catch and release lake already in - we are simply paying for ours. | | | |
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| | AuntieAnn
Posts:200


 | | 05/30/2008 10:34 AM |
Alert | I am sorry that I was unable to attend, but I would have had to bring a 2 year old; enough said I have read what everyone has written and agree with most of it. I will sign-up to help clean-up vacant lots or bank owned homes because I want my communitee to be a nice place for my child to grow-up in and play. I DO agree that people need to be held accountable. Fine, Fine, Fine the people that choose to never clean thier yards. If you own a house and have renters then I suggest you hire a landscaper/gardener to come by every 2 weeks and pick the weeds. It will cost you less then fine after fine. | | | |
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| | maricopamoon
Posts:39

 | | 05/30/2008 11:36 AM |
Alert | I can't figure out how to delete my multiple messages...sorry. | | | |
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| | maricopamoon
Posts:39

 | | 05/30/2008 11:36 AM |
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