stephen
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 | | 05/12/2008 6:39 AM |
Alert | At approximately 3AM this morning, a group of African American and Latino teenagers broke out in a fight in the northwest area of Maricopa Meadows. Knives were involved and a number of the teenagers were stabbed and cut. one of the teenagers was critically injured with lacerations by a machete and had to be airlifted out of Maricopa to Maricopa County Hospital. The other stabbings were not as serious, as I understand it. As a homeowner and father of young children, there is nothing worse than being awaken by police lights and helicopters in your own neighborhood. This isn't the first time I've seen this stuff in my neighborhood. The teenagers involved were all drinking. Why are these kids roaming around the streets in the middle of the night? Where are the parents? What is the police department doing about these kids? I've pretty much had it with all the disturbances in my area. | | | |
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 6:56 AM |
Alert | Well, there you have it. We have all seen the writing on the walls and many have chosen to igore it. many have dumped it on the parents by saying, "it's the parents' fault". Be that as it may, it is also our fault by not looking at the writing on the wall and allowing this type of stuff to get to this level.
What's next, Maricopa? Do we have to keep looking the other way untill we are truly gang plagued? Do we keep saying that it is the parent's fault? Or do we start to knock this crap out, as neighbors and citizens, before it gets really bad......
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NY2Copa
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 | | 05/12/2008 7:06 AM |
Alert | | Mallardisme .... I'm confused. How has Maricopa turned it's head? It's not the parent's fault if their kid is out with a knife stabbing other kids? I agree with the idea of absolute ZERO tolerance. Each and every one of the kids truly involved must suffer severe consequences to prevent further gang activity ... but how is it not the parent's fault?? I'm a parent and if my kid is so much as rude to someone I believe it is a reflection on me as a parent and will immediately correct it. I agree, now that the parents have dropped the ball that it is up to the community to pick up the pieces and prevent this from happening further ... but it's certainly not Maricopa's fault these kids have turned criminal. It's complete lack of family that makes these kids vulnerable to gang influence. | | | |
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 7:40 AM |
Alert | NY2copa, I am sorry you are confused. Yes, it is the parent’s fault, but, it is also the community’s fault. How in the world can people live in a neighborhood and not notice things like graffiti? How in the world can people live in an area and see the signs and just say, “I blame the parents” and be done with it. How can people not notice kids at risk wandering through the streets and not take action? When that happens, it DOES become the residents fault for letting this type of stuff happen without taking any sort of action. The sheriff put it best a while back when he described gang activity here as opposed to gang activity in Casa Grande. He stated that Maricopa has a choice. The gangs are not established here…..Yet. He asked the citizens to take notice and keep them out before thay get established.
…..And now we are seeing the beginning of establishing the gangs. Nobody noticed a child with a machete? Please……
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JasonY
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:00 AM |
Alert | Kids who use machetes, have parents who use machetes........
If you are parent, and you don't know where your teenager is at 3am in the morning....hmmm... | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:17 AM |
Alert | | This might come as a major shock to everyone but no community is immune to crime. As the housing worsens, every community will experience the pains associated with it. In Levine last week a pregnant woman was shot and killed as she slept. Be thankful that this was not a random act of violence. Chances are these idiots knew each other. The best we can do is be on the lookout for each other and keep close knit neighborhoods. The biggest problem with this state (not just Maricopa) is that neighbors don't even introduce themselves to each other. If you think that crime won't hit Maricopa you are mistaken. It will, as it will hit Gilbert, Mesa, Scottsdale, and everywhere else. Arizona isn't a safe, family oriented STATE anymore. | | | |
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:28 AM |
Alert | Posted By azsouthendzone on 05/12/2008 8:17 AM
The best we can do is be on the lookout for each other and keep close knit neighborhoods. That is my point. We have to notice what is happening or it becomes our fault. | | Let X=X | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:32 AM |
Alert | I agree and disagree Mallardisme. The best we can do is be on the lookout, but even then it won't stop all crime. As long as there is cheap rent in Maricopa, this city will have a welcome mat to people like this from all over. And it isn't just a Maricopa problem. It is a statewide issue at this point. There was little that we could have done to prevent this. Just be happy that this wasn't a random act, and keep your eyes peeled. Go talk to your neighbors. | | | |
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Takingabreak
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:37 AM |
Alert | | The only good thing that came from this is now the police have names of the individuals involved. These hoodlums can now be fitted with an ankle bracelet to monitor their whereabouts and be required to do lots of community service. Maricopa Meadow here is the answer to the weed problem in those empty homes. I think each of those kids should be working from 6 PM to 3 AM, a few hours for sleep, then off to school, homework and back out pulling weeds, painting grafitti, scrubbing the blood off the street etc. No free time will keep them out of trouble. | | Need a tax write off? Donate to the Maricopa SALVATION ARMY EMERGENCY SERVICES FUND. | |
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:44 AM |
Alert | It is not a statewide isse. Crrime is alive and well everywhere. Gangs are alive and well in every community. I have yet to see one where the issue does not exist. From the smallest town in Kansas to my old town of Los Angeles. The difference here is that we don't have to allow it.We are still at a good crossroads to not allow it, not tollerate it and, not force bars on our windows. You are correct. We cannot stop all crime, but we can do what we can to help curb it.
Throwing our hands up and accepting what we can change will only make it worse. Rental prices really don't play into it. The neighborhood is what we make it to be. It can be close knit or a bunch of strangers in a local area where kids are drunk at 3am with machetes, sawed off shotguns, or cars doing donuts in the intersection.
This is why I am venting on this. This is an issue that we, today, have the ability to change.... Or not. (Gotta throw the Zen in there) | | Let X=X | |
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azsouthendzone
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 | | 05/12/2008 8:52 AM |
Alert | Cheap rent isn't the only problem, but it part of the problem. When you can rent an 1800 square foot brand new home for $750 a month and cram people in as opposed to renting a 2 bedroom apartment for $900 in town, you basically welcome the types of people. You do get good, honest, people as well, but it is reality. Anyone who has ever lived in an apartment knows auto theft and crime. The difference is that these things are infiltrating neighborhoods all over. | | | |
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stephen
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 | | 05/12/2008 9:07 AM |
Alert | If you don't think that parents are at fault, you are foolish. However, this debate will rage on forever.
Ultimately, the reason children go astray is because the external influences and pressure on that child are stronger than the influences from the parents. So it's not parenting that causes issues like this but lack of parenting. Parents that are stronger influences on their kids than the media and peer pressure have a much higher probability of raising good kids.
With that being said, the crime that occurred last night was a heinous crime with no thought of repurcussions. According to the officer, the kid was literally chopped up by a machete. He had very deep lacerations on his arm, head and back of the neck. The officer did not believe he was gonna make it. | | | |
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stephen
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 | | 05/12/2008 9:20 AM |
Alert | Renters will NEVER have as much pride in their surroundings as homeowners do. Therefore, any time you have areas with such cheap rent on such large homes, you will always get an influx of people that tend to be lower income families and along with lower income, you tend to have lower standards. Renters will almost always bring down the standard of social living within an area like Maricopa Meadows. You can tell the homes that have owners vs. renters, especially in my neighborhood. The renters homes are usually full of weeds, full of cars in the street and the center of attention, noise and trouble. | | | |
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AzSandSlinger
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 | | 05/12/2008 9:51 AM |
Alert | I agree that this is not ONLY the parents fault.. although it's a good 90%...
You know what WE can do as a community? BECOME ONE.. Get out of your comfortable house and get to know your neighbors... take walks and meet other people... Honestly people.. how many people go home, shut the garage, not to be seen until the next day?
I grew up on a street where all my neighbors were my "Aunts" and "Uncles".. If they caught me doing something bad.. THEY would stop me and discipline me.. then take me home to have my parents discipline me..
You know how many kids (+/- 5 years of me) from my street ended up in gangs or in jail? zero...
Sure, you can blame the parents all day.. when it's all said and done.. it's ALL of our responsibility to become a community and to ensure our community is safe..
-Shane
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missPolitick
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:04 AM |
Alert | Posted By Takingabreak on 05/12/2008 8:37 AM
The only good thing that came from this is now the police have names of the individuals involved. These hoodlums can now be fitted with an ankle bracelet to monitor their whereabouts and be required to do lots of community service. Maricopa Meadow here is the answer to the weed problem in those empty homes. I think each of those kids should be working from 6 PM to 3 AM, a few hours for sleep, then off to school, homework and back out pulling weeds, painting grafitti, scrubbing the blood off the street etc. No free time will keep them out of trouble. I Second that motion. | | Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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Granny5X
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:09 AM |
Alert | I can somewhat agree with Stephen, however there are plenty of "Little Rich Kids" that get in trouble. And if the lower income renters ave weeds and cars all over the street, then your HOA is not doing what you pay them to do. There is no excuse for a rental property to "look" any different than an owner occupied property. And AzSandSlinger!!! RIGHT ON NEIGHBOR!!!!! SO SO TRUE!!!! | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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stephen
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:21 AM |
Alert | I too agree with the community involvement. The neighborhood watch is a start. We definitely need to get this going.
Gosh, I wish that we had more street lights. The Meadows is sooo dark at night. I plan to install lights on the front of my house similar to what they do in the Villages. I love how the homes light up the street. I don't mind paying a little more to get better lighting in my neighborhood. | | | |
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anewman
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:26 AM |
Alert | The street lights is partof the cities effor to reduce light polution and electrcity. This does how ever significantly go in the favor of those complaining about traffic tickets when something like this happens.
This should go a long ways in opening the eyes of residents, city officials, and the police force that patrols should be increased and harsh punishment handed out for gang related behaviors.
The kid with the machete needs to be prosecuted severly. Lets just hope there is no retaliation fight. | | "The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"
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mallardisme
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:33 AM |
Alert | Posted By AzSandSlinger on 05/12/2008 9:51 AM
I agree that this is not ONLY the parents fault.. although it's a good 90%...
You know what WE can do as a community? BECOME ONE.. Get out of your comfortable house and get to know your neighbors... take walks and meet other people... Honestly people.. how many people go home, shut the garage, not to be seen until the next day?
I grew up on a street where all my neighbors were my "Aunts" and "Uncles".. If they caught me doing something bad.. THEY would stop me and discipline me.. then take me home to have my parents discipline me..
You know how many kids (+/- 5 years of me) from my street ended up in gangs or in jail? zero...
Sure, you can blame the parents all day.. when it's all said and done.. it's ALL of our responsibility to become a community and to ensure our community is safe..
-Shane
Nail on the head. And that is exactly my point.
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SmilingChic
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 | | 05/12/2008 10:38 AM |
Alert | I think we owe it to our kids and our community to get more involved in our children's lives and in the community itself. We need to be questioning and checking our kids whereabouts and the friends they hang out with. We need to go introduce ourselves to our new neighbors moving in down the street and making it a welcoming environment. My daughter hated the fact that even when she was 17 yrs old and her plans for the evening sent sirens off in my brain, I would insist on talking to her friends parents, just to clarify the nights event lol. This is not an invasion of privacy as I have heard from many. This to me is investing my time into my young adult child so she knows that she is being held accountable by her parents. I think we also need to keep in mind that no matter how hard we try as parents, that teenagers brains are still developing, their hormones are raging and with that concoction they will go make stupid mistakes that sometimes can be detrimental to their well being. That in no way excuses they kids of committing such a violent crime but I'm definitely not shocked to hear of this type of behavior happening here in Maricopa. To try to figure out who's fault it is at this point is trivial. I think it's up to us to start making more of an effort of having a stronger adult presence with our kids and in our neighborhood. Thanks everyone for letting me rant It's so frustrating and scary to hear about terrible crimes happening so close to home as I'm sure poor Stephan can attest to. | | | |
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