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JAG
Posts:520


 | | 06/20/2008 9:00 PM |
Alert | How does the LDS view the Apostles Creed? Its pretty much a universal creed that most Churches and Denominations use to describe Christianity. | | | |
| | itsadryheat
Posts:233

 | | 06/21/2008 9:11 AM |
Alert | | Jag, please reprint the creed here so we can all know what you are referring to. thanks. | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 06/21/2008 10:21 AM |
Alert | itsadryheat,
I hope Jag doesn't mind me jumping in, but here is the common Catholic version:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
He is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
The holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.
Most Christian religions have some version of this. The word “Christian” would be substituted for the word ‘Catholic.”
Serp.
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| | EEE
Posts:374


 | | 06/21/2008 10:31 AM |
Alert | Posted By Serpthia... on 06/21/2008 10:21 AM
itsadryheat,
I hope Jag doesn't mind me jumping in, but here is the common Catholic version:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
He is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
The holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.
Most Christian religions have some version of this. The word “Christian” would be substituted for the word ‘Catholic.”
Serp.
The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ. | | Yeah, it's true- He allowed the fall of man/ But He used it now to exalt the Lamb/ The Lord, who's wise, permits existence of sin/ to be glorified in His forgiveness to men/ | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 06/21/2008 10:37 AM |
Alert | "The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ."
Be that as it may, my church uses the word “Christian.” I guess the word “Catholic’ isn’t universal enough for them (smiles). | | | |
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| | itsadryheat
Posts:233

 | | 06/21/2008 10:51 AM |
Alert | I do not understand what this means, "communion of saints."
As a Christian, I could agree with most of this statement. I suppose I would substitue "the Christian church" for the "Catholic church."
What is the purpose of the statement? Is it something that is prayed? How is it used in the Catholic church? | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 06/21/2008 12:45 PM |
Alert | EEE, After making my rather bold, broad statement I set upon trying to research other denominations wording of the Apostles Creed, and what I found is that a few that once used the word “Christian” at some point returned to the word “Catholic; “though it would seem that a few select churches within those denominations still use the word “Christian.” So, I guess it's almost come down to individual churches. I would like to see a little more solidarity. I read one older article about Protestants changing the word back, but there're several interesting articles existing in cyberspace. Is anyone Lutheran? Do they still use the word “Christian” in the Apostles Creed? Serp. | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 06/21/2008 12:48 PM |
Alert | itsadryheat, The Communion of Saints is the spiritual union of all Christians living and dead. For Catholics it includes those in purgatory. For my church it’s a statement of belief that we share unity with Christ through the Holy Spirit. It could also be said this way: Christians share one preternatural (mystical) body, with Christ as head, and in this union each contributes to the good of all. The Apostles Creed in a simplistic and succinct manner manages to capture the profoundly, beautiful nature of Christian faith. I believe the Catholics use it the most; maybe someone will come along and give us a listing of how it’s used in their worship. Serp. | | | |
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| | moinmoin
Posts:408


 | | 06/21/2008 4:08 PM |
Alert | JAG:
Mormons are comfortable with the Apostle's Creed, with the same provisions that other non-Catholics have expressed here. Note its similarity to Joseph Smith's summation of the fundamental principles of Mormonism:
The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the apostles and prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.
(History of the Church 3:30.)
It's the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds where Mormonism parts company from non-Mormon Christianity :
"We believe in one God, the Father, Almighty, the maker of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father, only begotten, (that is) of the substance of the Father; God of God, Light of Light; Very God of Very God; begotten not made; of the same substance with the Father, by whom all things were made, that are in heaven and that are in earth: who for us men, and for our salvation, descended and was incarnate, and became man; suffered and rose again the third day, ascended into the heavens and will come to judge the living and the dead; and in the Holy Spirit. But those who say there was a time when he [the Son] was not, and that he was not before he was begotten, and that he was made out of nothing, or affirm that he is of any other substance or essence, or that the Son of God was created, and mutable, or changeable, the Catholic Church doth pronounce accursed." "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, is all one: the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet there are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated; but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty; and yet there are not three Almighties, but one Almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet they are not three Gods but one God." | | | |
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| | JAG
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 | | | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 06/21/2008 5:06 PM |
Alert | Posted By itsadryheat on 06/21/2008 10:51 AM
I do not understand what this means, "communion of saints."
We are all living saints on earth.
As a Christian, I could agree with most of this statement. I suppose I would substitue "the Christian church" for the "Catholic church."
The one posted uses Catholic, not catholic which is the proper wording.
What is the purpose of the statement? Is it something that is prayed? How is it used in the Catholic church? Its just a creed, sort of a pledge of sorts. Its not used soley in Catholic or orthodox Churchs as well. | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 06/21/2008 5:15 PM |
Alert | Greetings MM, Your Nicene creed is not the offical Creed that I read, to be honest it looks like the work of someone who is trying to defame the Creed. Please see the offical Creed from the vatican site. http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a2.htm The Nicene Creed We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all that is, seen and unseen We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man. For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried. On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the
Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy
catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one
baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen. | | | |
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 06/21/2008 5:39 PM |
Alert | Jag, I've yet to find the creed even on any Catholic sites that use a small "c". I would be very appreciative if you could direct me to one, so I can look at it when I have more time. The Catholic encyclopedia has the "C" capitalized. Serp. | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | | Serpthia...
Posts:175

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Posts:520


 | | 06/22/2008 10:30 AM |
Alert | My appoligies, thats sad actually, sounds like the popes old office is not doing their job. I would go by the Vatican and what is seen in the missal as those are official. Although with the new pope I would not be surprised that he would change it to a Captial "C". | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 06/22/2008 3:15 PM |
Alert | These 'my religion is better than your religion' threads are my favorite. 
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| | Serpthia...
Posts:175

 | | 06/22/2008 3:58 PM |
Alert | Richtig,
You better stand back because I'm flushing your remark down the cyber-toilet as a nonessential and there’s going to be some powerful suction.
What's up with your reading comprehension today? You totally missed the mark on the thrust of this thread. I've come to expect more from you.
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 06/22/2008 4:12 PM |
Alert | Right. Most of these threads are "why my religion is better than yours". I get it, you picked the right one and all the others are wrong and they will burn. Some of us think you are all wrong and will risk the burning in hell for all eternity to be able to sleep in on Sunday. To each his own. If religion and faith gives you some comfort, bully for you. My parents at one time or another were Baptists, Catholics, Protestant and finally Scientologists. So, we have been around the church block and I have ended up here. I appreciate your faith, I just have a problem when your beliefs get involved in my politics. | | | |
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| | JAG
Posts:520


 | | 06/22/2008 4:57 PM |
Alert | Sounds like someone needs a hug. | | | |
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