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DaybyDayUser is Offline

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03/03/2008 7:52 AM Alert 

Hi,

I wanted to talk with those parents who had chosen to send their children to school out of district.  We have the opportunity to send our children to school out of district in the Fall. One of my concerns is that in doing so, their social relationships will be out of Maricopa.  Do you find that this has been difficult for your children, going to school in Chandler (for example) but living here in Maricopa?  What have you done to create those relationships here in Maricopa for them?  Do your children find this to be a problem that they have relationships outside of Maricopa, and few here. 

My children will still be in Elementary school. So I think there might be different feelings about this for children who are older in Jr. High and H.S., but any input would be appreciated. 

Thanks.

alanfUser is Offline

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03/03/2008 9:23 AM Alert 

DaybyDay, good on you for investigating early. We looked at school track records and made our decision to select Kyrene from there. I would not chose differently if I had the choice. Our child was getting ready to start the 6th grade when we moved out here. Middle school here looked bad, as did the High School. The lower grades appear to be improving with the High School still having troubles.
Our child starts High School next year and we are happy with our choice. Did our child get cut off from friends/schoolmates because of the distance? Yes. Is our child excelling at a higher potential than would be possible in Maricopa? Definitely.
The kids are going to say they don't want this, or they do want that. Just keep in mind that you are looking out for their education. You (not the child) have to make the decision.
And don't buy into the guilt trip that will be placed on you if you decide to school outside Maricopa. It's nobodies business but yours. Maricopa still gets the Tax $$$.

Good Luck. It's a difficult decision. 

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03/03/2008 11:48 AM Alert 
If you do have them take this opportunity, see if you can get them involved in local activities as well. These might only be weekend type things, but at least if they are participating in local activities, that will allow then to interact with neighborhood kids there age. They may also want to participate in after school activites at their school, which gives them access to those kids, even though they may not live in the area, they will still have friends.
alanfUser is Offline

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03/03/2008 11:58 AM Alert 
Great points gilbertglcn.
DaybyDayUser is Offline

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03/03/2008 3:04 PM Alert 
Thank you for weighing in on this issue. I really appreciate your input. I know I do not need to worry about their social relationships, but it is something to consider.
resofcopaUser is Offline

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03/03/2008 10:19 PM Alert 
Good points by all except for the point by alanf regarding the money. Each school receives money for the number of kids in the school from the federal government (approx. 6000 per student). This money is then utilized to do the things that everybody complains about, new programs, better facilities, better teachers, better pay, better equipment, etc... What happens is the cycle starts to repeat itself and improve the system. More Kids = More Money; More Money = More & Better academic programs; More & Better Academic Programs = More Kids; and it continues.

I am not saying in the least that you should send your kids here, I don't, I am just stating how the system works.
Devil DogUser is Offline

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03/04/2008 2:43 AM Alert 
ALANF - Way to go. All my kids go to Kyrene District since K-6 and still going strong. Yes, it's a drive daily, but, well worth it in the long run. Kids are A's and B's students, can't complant about that. Once MUSD start receving above excelling like KUSD then maybe I have kids attend MUDS. I don't see that anytime soon. Some day I hope.

"Always Moving Forward"
alanfUser is Offline

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03/04/2008 5:53 AM Alert 
Posted By resofcopa on 03/03/2008 10:19 PM
Good points by all except for the point by alanf regarding the money. Each school receives money for the number of kids in the school from the federal government (approx. 6000 per student). This money is then utilized to do the things that everybody complains about, new programs, better facilities, better teachers, better pay, better equipment, etc... What happens is the cycle starts to repeat itself and improve the system. More Kids = More Money; More Money = More & Better academic programs; More & Better Academic Programs = More Kids; and it continues.

I am not saying in the least that you should send your kids here, I don't, I am just stating how the system works.



Do the local tax dollars continue feeding into the local school district? I was referring to our property taxes resofcopa. I'm not concerned with how much they get from the Feds.

N75194User is Offline

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03/04/2008 7:15 AM Alert 

Problem is, parents like Devil Dog keep hearing the "Sky is Falling" in MUSD and take their kids to KESD (Yes, it's Kyrene Elementary School District, not Kyrene Unified), taking the $4000 per child money with them (I wish it was $6000). As a result, those kids who could easily raise the levels of MUSD schools to "Highly Performing" or "Excelling" are doing it for Kyrene's bottom-of-the-barrel schools.

Not only do we need to close our borders, but also our school district boundaries. If you move to Maricopa, unless you want to pay for private education, you attend Maricopa schools.


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alanfUser is Offline

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03/04/2008 8:13 AM Alert 
Posted By N75194 on 03/04/2008 7:15 AM

Problem is, parents like Devil Dog keep hearing the "Sky is Falling" in MUSD and take their kids to KESD (Yes, it's Kyrene Elementary School District, not Kyrene Unified), taking the $4000 per child money with them (I wish it was $6000). As a result, those kids who could easily raise the levels of MUSD schools to "Highly Performing" or "Excelling" are doing it for Kyrene's bottom-of-the-barrel schools.

Not only do we need to close our borders, but also our school district boundaries. If you move to Maricopa, unless you want to pay for private education, you attend Maricopa schools.



Ha Ha Ha... N75194. You should get paid for your Stand Up comedy. We lock down Maricopa school boundaries  and you can add this one liner to your repertoire: Maricopa has now incorporated the new tag line for it's School District - All children left behind!

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CyndiWitczakUser is Offline

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03/04/2008 8:30 AM Alert 

N75194... some of us DID try MUSD before moving on. We came from a Scottsdale excelling school where my daughter was in the gifted program, to Santa Cruz. Lesson learned. My daughter is in Legacy now, so we are still in Maricopa, but if Legacy were not here, we would have been going to Kyrene, or more likely, the Catholic school in Casa Grande. It sounds noble to say "send your kids to Maricopa schools", but in reality, unless things change, it's not a wise idea for many kids. There are exceptions, of course. Pima Butte seems to be a fantastic school. We all hope that the future of the district is positive, but for the time being, keeping our excelling kids in MUSD hurts our kids, and as a parent, you can't fault any one of us for making decisions to benefit our kids. We chose to have them, and in our particular case we feel that our children are our responsibility until they graduate from college. Waving a victory flag over a 3% raise in test scores is pathetic, and the kids in Maricopa deserve better. If they have to go elsewhere to get it, so be it. I'm not raising the next manager of Taco Bell.


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alanfUser is Offline

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03/04/2008 9:21 AM Alert 
Posted By CyndiWitczak on 03/04/2008 8:30 AM

N75194... some of us DID try MUSD before moving on. We came from a Scottsdale excelling school where my daughter was in the gifted program, to Santa Cruz. Lesson learned. My daughter is in Legacy now, so we are still in Maricopa, but if Legacy were not here, we would have been going to Kyrene, or more likely, the Catholic school in Casa Grande. It sounds noble to say "send your kids to Maricopa schools", but in reality, unless things change, it's not a wise idea for many kids. There are exceptions, of course. Pima Butte seems to be a fantastic school. We all hope that the future of the district is positive, but for the time being, keeping our excelling kids in MUSD hurts our kids, and as a parent, you can't fault any one of us for making decisions to benefit our kids. We chose to have them, and in our particular case we feel that our children are our responsibility until they graduate from college. Waving a victory flag over a 3% raise in test scores is pathetic, and the kids in Maricopa deserve better. If they have to go elsewhere to get it, so be it. I'm not raising the next manager of Taco Bell.



What is so laughable is that N75194 really seems to believe that bringing back the Kyrene kids will increase the averages enough to make MUSD excel! I am pretty sure that it's not only smart kids outsourcing for quality education.  Perhaps the children that are already here need to be taught to a higher standard for those increased scores?

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03/04/2008 10:37 AM Alert 
This is the sixth school year we have lived in Maricopa, but my children only attended MUSD for two years. The first two we commuted to the charter school they already attended before we moved here. This proved very stressful for everyone involved, so we decided to try the Kyrene thing. This was also a lot for my then first grader, so we chose to move them to MUSD. I was a SAHM and figured as long as I was involved and provided a loving, supportive home, we could balance things out. Needless to say, my youngest two are at Legacy and my oldest is back in Kyrene. My seventh grader took Honors classes here in Maricopa, but it was clear he was not on the same page as his fellow classmates upon returning to Kyrene.
We have always made sure the kids were active in sports here locally, which has been very helpful. Is it a little more difficult to make friendships work? Of course. Is it worth it in the long run? Definitely! Good luck with your decision. And remember it's YOUR decision.
resofcopaUser is Offline

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03/04/2008 5:55 PM Alert 
alanf-I am not sure we are on opposite sides of the discussion but I will say that local tax dollars are one of the smallest portions of funding a school gets. It has long been gone the days of higher home values and such providing for better educational resources. The twist is, usually, in those areas of higher home values are more educated parents and they stress the value of an education. They monitor and assist and discipline with regard to the educational expectations of their kids.

In Maricopa that just does not happen on a wide scale. Thousands of kids have zero expectations about receiving a solid education and behave as such in these schools. I will also say that the kids are not the only issue, if the Maricopa schools are going to improve the leadership at all levels must be top notch. The switchback system that is going on now with another district is not helping.
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04/09/2008 8:10 PM Alert 
one hour each way.... 2 hours a day

180 days of school.... 360 hour each school year in a bus on a dangerous road, never to be gained back in homework or education. This does not include the extra time if there is and accident ahead of the bus... Oh and I hope your elementary kid does not have to pee!

360 / 24 is 15 days each school year in the life of your child, spend on a school bus or equvelant to 45 eight hour work days... whichever make you feel more comfortable with this type of decision.

Stay in town and get involved if you can. Be a part of the child's education process, volunteer 45 days out of the school year as a reminder to yourself what a sacrifice you almost had your child make. Help our city and school district improve, share your talents where you can, and maybe your kids will imitate that character trait when they grow up!

Good luck with your decision. Either way may be a rough road, one wich may get easier, and the other will remain long.



Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
shawnaforeUser is Offline

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04/09/2008 10:35 PM Alert 

My son went to Lagos for first grade then we decided to try Legacy for his second grade.  He is ADHD and we choose not to medicate because its not that bad he can be guided by a great teacher.  Long story short Legacy did not work he is in Maricopa Elem and next my son and my kindergartener will both be going to Lagos.  As for friends we joined boyscouts up in the Lakewood Comm so that he would have activities with the kids he goes to school with in addition to all the kids we know here.  Its the best of both worlds and I like the enviroment much better at kyrene schools.

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04/10/2008 6:47 AM Alert 
Posted By RichTig on 04/09/2008 10:39 PM

 If any of you work in a restaurant or know someone who does.......... CyndiW is raising her kids to be better than you.


How dare she want something better for her children!

hendersonaUser is Offline

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04/10/2008 7:50 AM Alert 
I have both my kids here this year at Santa Cruz so far this school has been much better then my experiance last year at Gilbert Schools I understand that the HS may have some problems but I haven't heard many complants about the lower grades and with a new Jr hight opening this next year no one knows how it will turn out
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04/10/2008 10:47 AM Alert 
osgoodsnog -
I look at the "hour" (it's not an hour to Ahwatukee) to school with my DD as a good time for us to spend together. I work in Phoenix, so it is on my way anyway. I have a friend who I hope can take my child home every day. There are SO MANY after school clubs my DD can be a part of at Mountain Pointe that she may be very busy after school and I may be able to spend more time with her on the ride home. This is two hours a day that I normally miss with her that we can now be together. Mountain Pointe just offers so many better opportunities and classes.

My son, who went to Maricopa High all four years, tells me it has declined - not gotten better. It's sad to say, but I don't think the experience has been good for him. This is partly my fault because I feel I should have come to my senses earlier and sent him elsewhere, especially this year. A lot of us tried, but we have to put our kids first.


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hendersonaUser is Offline

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04/10/2008 3:33 PM Alert 
I agree if I had a HS student that I wouldn't place them in the school here but I haven't seen anything wrong with our elemernty schools why not at least start out at them who knows maybe the jr high and HS will change by the time your child gets there if not why not make the dession then
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