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azsouthendzone
Posts:528
 | | 03/20/2008 7:28 PM |
 Alert | The HOA is a complete absurdity. I really think it is time that Kriss Lindberg and Ogden send out refund checks because this HOA is a complete joke. If the neighbor hood is gonna look trashy, it should just be abolished. There are SOOOOOO many homes with weeds, and not just a few here and there, but to the point that it looks like the occupants landscape their yards with them. In my last neighborhood in Gilbert, the HOA was out issuing letters and fines for a few weeds here and there, but the neighborhood always looked great as a result, and there were plenty of renters there, myself included. The $62 a month is a joke. They give us a joke of a cable TV package, and they also let the neighborhood look like a disaster area. It is mind boggling to see the condition of people's yards right now and the crap people can get away with here. Get your act together. You have a job to do, now start doing it. The policy on "Warnings" is a joke. How many times does Kriss really ever get out here from his cozy office in Scottsdale? One a month? Ever? Just abolish the damn thing and give me my $62 a month back. | | | |
| | C&W
Posts:166
| | 03/20/2008 8:43 PM |
Alert | need to address this at the HOA meeting and emphasize this with our new board.
is a new management co. possible on the horizon? p.s.: can we have the board not contract with Oritel? use that money to create more amenities or something else for the communities, just imo. | | | |
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 03/20/2008 9:06 PM |
Alert | What does the board do? Do they have any power? Its not really hard to identify the problem here, but for whatever reason it is obviously rocket science to find a solution. Ogden does not and will never, ever, care about this place. Think about it. We have a company in Scottsdale that is in charge of maintaining rules and regulations way out here in Maricopa. It will never work. It works if you just write monthly checks to landscapers for common areas. Kriss can do that from his desk. But enforcement will never happen. We pay $50 a year for a Costco membership and $62 a month for a neighborhood that looks like a complete dump. http://www.ogdenre.com/arizona/ | | | |
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 03/20/2008 9:53 PM |
Alert | $62 buys you:
bad cable, a dumpy neighborhood, and trash service. Seems like we really owe only for the trash service then. | | | |
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| | beinpositiveincopa
Posts:29
| | 03/21/2008 7:38 AM |
Alert | | My sister lives in the Villages at RED and says having an on-site office for the HOA makes a world of difference. They are there daily...see the problems...live them and actually handle them with a simple phone call. Or, she'll just drop in, voice a concern and low and behold, they actually take care of it! Of course nothing perfect but I agree 100% with azsouthendzone that having not only an offsite office but one waaaay up in Scottsdale is absurd. Seems to me we elected office staff, not active, concerned board members who truly care about our community. I would love to hear from one of them. Do they live even live in Senita? If they did and their street looked like mine, we might get some results. I don't normally bash anyone and I don't really agree with all the "rules" of living in my own home imposed by any HOA but, since we do have a governing board and HAVE to pay to live here...shouldn't we be getting something for our money besides a few pretty green areas, which are lovely? How about a pretty neighborhood not a slummy looking one. I'm fearful of what our neighborhood is going to turn into and what my home value will be in a few years??? | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:152
| | 03/21/2008 8:40 AM |
Alert | Seems to me we elected office staff, not active, concerned board members who truly care about our community. I would love to hear from one of them.
Hi. I'm one of them. One of the Board Members you elected. My name is Graham. And I, like all Board Members, live in Senita.
I can tell you that personally, I brought up the question of dropping Orbitel at the first opportunity I got. We pay $15 and change a month for what was advertised as "free cable with HOA." I don't know how $15 equals free. And that $15 only gets you $20 worth of programming. Personnally, I think we should tell Orbitel to pund sound, and pass the savings on to you. If residents want cable, I'm sure they'll figure out how to order it. So, I am looking into that.
Our first HOA meeting is April 2nd. I hope you'll be there. I know many people in this community have a lot of ideas and a lot of input. I'd like to hear as much as I can. Part of the problem is that A) We can only make decisions at the meetings. B) All meetings have to be public, and C) All meetings have to be published and announced. So, even if we wanted to change the fine policy, we'd have to announce a meeting, wait, allow people to attend to voice their opinion, and then decide. And since our first meeting isn't until April, you can see that nothing has changed yet. Does that make sense?
Anyway, I'm a homeowner, and a resident; and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone, and getting involved in our neighborhood. | | | |
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|  | beinpositiveincopa
Posts:29
| | 03/21/2008 8:55 AM |
Alert | | Graham - thank you so much for reading our concerns and responding to some of our concerns. I for one, appreciate it. I also appreciate knowing you all live here, even if the office is way out of town...it gives me some hope. I'll be at the meeting! Looking forward to it! | | | |
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| | ForensicUnit
Posts:152
| | 03/21/2008 9:13 AM |
Alert | Graham - thank you so much for reading our concerns and responding to some of our concerns. I for one, appreciate it. I also appreciate knowing you all live here, even if the office is way out of town...it gives me some hope. I'll be at the meeting! Looking forward to it!
I just want to make sure we're on the same page. The HOA, that is the actual Board Members of the Association, are all volunteers. We are all homeowners that bought houses here, ran for election, and were elected by other homeowners.
The Managment Company is Ogden. They are a paid company that manages the financial, administrative, and legal goings ons of the Association.
Just making sure you don't think I work for Ogden 
I'm have just as much of an interest in maintaining the neighborhood as you do. That's why I ran for the Board.
Again, please come to the meeting. Feel free to message me here with concerns. I can't be everywhere, all the time. And additional eyes are always welcome.
-Graham | | | |
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| | Cheyenne
Posts:90
| | 03/21/2008 9:21 AM |
Alert | Graham -
Do you know if at the meeting on April 2, will there be a clarification for the Homeowners as to what issues the HOA Board will be able to address and what issues will need to be handled by Ogden? For instance, if Ogden (Kriss L.) is the only one who can send notices regarding weeds then people need to know to address their frustrations on that subject directly with Ogden and not at the HOA meeting. I am just hoping the April meeting will be as productive as possible and hopefully we can avoid getting bogged down discussing things that are not within the Boards control. Thx!! | | | |
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| | C&W
Posts:166
| | 03/21/2008 10:00 AM |
Alert | I agree with Cheyenne.
Maricopa is more than an hour drive from Scottsdale, and I don't know where Kriss reside but I'm sure he's not too thrill to make such a long drive that often (especially that 347). In regards to the CC&R, I feel as if it's just a smoke screen, these rules and regulations need to be enforce (i.e.; less barking and more biting). The economy is in a slump and to have people who does not maintain their property is not helping with our property value. I don't expect Senita to be like "Malibu" but I surely don't want it to be like South Phoenix.
We all can say what we want at the meeting, but what happens afterward? I would like to see results, actions, etc. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:629
| | 03/21/2008 5:03 PM |
Alert | Odgen has been the way they are because they have been controled by the builders, which don't seem to care, as I see it.
Our elected HOA is in charge, and dictates what Odgen does. Although I agree that Odgen is useless, the change needs to come from the elected members of the HOA. As they all live here, I am sure changes are around the corner.
Our board can decide and vote that it will only be one warning, then fines can start coming, so on and so forth. Or what ever they decide. Odgen works for us, our elected officers don't work for Odgen.
I think with a bit of time, and once everyone settles into the board, we will start seeing some changes. I am looking forward to start attending the meetings and being a part of the way Senita is handled from this point forward. We are here for the long term.
I would also like to see a closer HOA management company. When you contact Kriss and he says, "I was there last week and didn't see that, please capture a picture and email it to me," you kind of get the impression we aren't getting our $6500 a month worth. | |
Ronald Reagan, 1992 convention Speech, "...we see all that rhetorical smoke, billowing out from the Democrats, well ladies and gentlemen, I'd follow the example of their nominee. Don't inhale.
This fellow they've nominated claims he's the new Thomas Jefferson. Well, let me tell you something. I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a
friend of mine. And governor, you're no Thomas Jefferson. | |
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 03/21/2008 7:10 PM |
Alert | Power Ranch HOA.....
1st violation: Warning in the form of a 10 day notice to remove all weeds or be fined
2nd violation: after 10 days you get fined
3rd: they remove and you get billed the cost plus more fines
That is what we should adopt. Once people start getting 10 day notices they get their lazy butts off the couch real fast. | | | |
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| | C&W
Posts:166
| | 03/21/2008 8:45 PM |
Alert | I'm guessing that the 10 day is your 10 business day, which is about 2 weeks. I thinks that's a "reasonable" time. Granted, Kriss is a one band man, Ogden manages multiple properties throughout the entire valley so I'm not too sure if Kriss is able to handle with all the complaints coming in.
We really need to address on the effectiveness of Ogden managing Senita that's, possibly, too far for them to manage. | | | |
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 03/21/2008 11:03 PM |
Alert | | You're not too sure if Kriss is able to handle the complaints? I'm positive he isn't and I'm positive that he rarely visits Maricopa. We don't need to measure Ogden's effectiveness. There is no effect because they don't do anything except pay landscapers. Heck, the common areas are even overrun with weeds. We need an HOA with an office in the neighborhood. This set up is a joke. | | | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:166
| | 03/22/2008 12:34 AM |
Alert | | I know a lot of my neighbor's have gotten violations sent to them from Ogden so I know Kriss does come through the community and write out violations. Ogden isn't responsible for driving through Senita every single day to find out what violations are happening, so we as a community need to police each other and report violations to Ogden when we see them. Take a picture of a violation and e-mail it to Kriss at krissl@ogdenre.com. Instead of blaming Kriss for everything that is wrong, why don't you try and help make it right? It takes an entire community working together to maintain a beautiful neighborhood. | | | |
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 03/22/2008 10:16 AM |
Alert | | Uh Kriss.....I mean Tio....Kriss actually is responsible for maintaining the neighborhood whether it means driving out daily or monthly. The fact is that they aren't having any impact on the neighborhood. Your solution IS NOT A SOLUTION. THAT IS THE STATUS QUO. An offsite management team in Scottsdale will NEVER work here. I will try and make the HOA meeting so the rules get changed. I know it will upset some people who are glued to the couch watching Montel all day, but a 10 day notice will fix the problem. There should be no friendly warnings. If you yard looks like crap, get your lazy butt out and clean it up. Spend 10 bucks on some Round Up and go spray the weeds. This is desert landscape for God sakes. Having a yard full of weeds is pure laziness and it is rude and tacky to all neighbors around you who have invested in this place and try to make it a great place to live. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:629
| | 03/22/2008 10:46 AM |
Alert | Posted By C&W on 03/21/2008 8:45 PM
I'm guessing that the 10 day is your 10 business day, which is about 2 weeks. I thinks that's a "reasonable" time. Granted, Kriss is a one band man, Ogden manages multiple properties throughout the entire valley so I'm not too sure if Kriss is able to handle with all the complaints coming in.
We really need to address on the effectiveness of Ogden managing Senita that's, possibly, too far for them to manage.
I think the effectiveness shows by driving around the neighborhood. Kriss being a one man show is irrelevant. We pay them $6500 a month. If they need to hire or utilize a dedicated inspector, then that is what needs to happen. I understand there is a lot to manage with 1400 homes, but come on. It isn't working the way things are currently setup.
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Ronald Reagan, 1992 convention Speech, "...we see all that rhetorical smoke, billowing out from the Democrats, well ladies and gentlemen, I'd follow the example of their nominee. Don't inhale.
This fellow they've nominated claims he's the new Thomas Jefferson. Well, let me tell you something. I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a
friend of mine. And governor, you're no Thomas Jefferson. | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:166
| | 03/22/2008 11:55 AM |
Alert | azsouthendzone, I am one of your neighbor's trying to help the situation, so I don't appreciate you referring to me as Kriss. So azsouthendzone, have you ever reported a violation to Kriss? How do you honestly know if people are getting violations? I have personally e-mailed Kriss about 70 violations with pictures. I am doing my part in trying to get this neighborhood in shape. What are you doing to help the situation besides complaining? I'm all for a 10 day letter. I am okay with harsher penalties on weeds, but the new HOA members will have to put new rules in place for this to happen. I agree that the current weed situation is out of control and needs to be corrected quickly. I'm asking that you help be a part of the solution.
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| | azsouthendzone
Posts:528
| | 03/22/2008 2:58 PM |
Alert | I have emailed Kriss plenty of times with pictures and all that has gotten us is a neighborhood in the worst condition sice its inception. I have also sprayed and picked weeds personally in common areas. There is so much one can do. Your 70 e-mails have had no effect. At some point blame needs to be placed to find the root of the problem. I place blame in two areas. My opinion is that Ogden is so far removed that they cannot adequately enforce rules. We need enforcement from within. My second opinion is that the rules in place are way too lax. I feel that speaking up and pointing out the root of the problems is doing my part. Feel free to disagree. Ogden is a joke and the $62 a month for this terrible service is a joke as well. I don't feel that what I am asking for is extreme. I am finding solutions. I'm not sure how pointing out the failures of the current system are an obstruction to fixing the problem. E-mailing Kriss has proven to have very little effect and it appears you are asking me to do more of that as if that is a solution, which it is not. It sounds to me like you don't want any negativity or criticism, but this is a negative situation where the current system needs to be criticized. | | | |
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| | Tio Junior
Posts:166
| | 03/22/2008 3:48 PM |
Alert | azsouthendzone - thank you for editing your first response (yes I saw it before you edited it). I know that my 70 e-mails were turned into violation letters to those 70 home owners. I don't want to sound like I am apologizing for Ogden, but I have talked to Kriss so many times that I know everything he is trying to do to fix our problems. I would suggest that you call him and have a conversation about everything he does do. Obviously the weed policy isn't working and it needs to be addressed. I hope the HOA adopts a stricter policy on weed violators. Look, I am on the same team as you! I want the neighborhood to look as good as possible. Keep taking pictures and reporting violations. Kriss will send out the letters.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be frustrated or voice your opinion with the current weed situation. I know the weeds look horrible, but give the new HOA board your opinions and I am sure things can get turned around. Once the HOA board takes control and all of the committees are set up, I think there will be a change in our community. | | | |
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