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bizybeth
Posts:569
 | | 11/01/2007 12:13 PM |
 Alert | I received this in an email as an update to the RED HOA discussion thread from their site:
A new message has been posted to the discussion group "Resident Forum" in the topic "overnight parking" by Melinda Duering
I have attached the letter below regarding parking enforcement.
Rancho El Dorado Homeowners Association
c/o AAM, LLC
7740 N. 16th Street Suite 300
Phoenix, AZ 85020
October 15, 2007
Dear Rancho El Dorado Neighbors:
Thank you for the opportunity to represent you and address your concerns for our Rancho El Dorado Community. Many of you have repeatedly voiced concern regarding the negative impact overnight street parking has on our community. It has been and continues to be one of our community's top concerns. Specifically noted, is how street parking restricts the visibility of moving vehicles, pedestrians and bicycles. Safety concerns such as accessibility for emergency vehicles to our homes and hydrants as well as safety when walking between vehicles to get a school bus or to visit friends.
We understand the seriousness of these problems and after careful review of the CC&Rs (see copy attached) along with professional legal consult, we are confident that the following steps listed below will help put us on a path to resolving your concerns. We feel that these actions will make our streets safer for everyone. You may have recently seen security patrolling the streets to note any vehicles parked on the streets. They will be patrolling for the next 30 days to note any repeat offenders, after this we will start the enforcement process.
To accommodate homeowners that have company or extenuating circumstances, an exception process is available. Please contact AAM, LLC if you are planning on having visitors so that these vehicles will not be cited. In addition to this exception process, we will not be enforcing this policy during major holidays, such as Independence Day and Thanksgiving.
"Community Action Security" have begun monitoring our parking regulations, on a daily basis. As of November 26, 2007, the steps for enforcement are as follows:
1st Violation - The Homeowner/Resident will receive a sticker warning, to comply within 14 days. Along with this, a courtesy letter will be sent.
2nd Violation - A sticker giving 14 additional days to comply, will be placed on the vehicle and followed up with a violation notice and a $100.00 fine.
3+ Violations (same vehicle) - Will follow with the process of the second violation but the fine will increase by $50.00 increments with maximum violation of $200.00 until the violation is resolved.
REMINDERS
*Street parking is reserved for guest and temporary parking only.
*Parking on sidewalks and/or granite side yards is not permitted.
*Residents should utilize their garages or driveways for parking.
Please contact Melinda Duering, our property manager, at 602-906-4912 or mduering@aamaz.com with any concerns or questions.
Thank you for your cooperation in helping us make Rancho El Dorado a safer community.
The Rancho El Dorado
Homeowners Association
Board of Directors
*****The newsletter everyone received over the weekend stated that enforcement begins 11/16, and this says that violation letters start going out 11/26. Right in time for the Thanksgiving Holdiay.
An email has already been sent asking some very pertinent questions, such as how do they determine if a nieghbor has a car or visitor's car in front of your house, how do they determine who gets the fine, and what is considered overnight parking, from what time to what time?
What does everyone think about this????****
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| | "Mrs.Jones"
Posts:20
| | 11/01/2007 2:07 PM |
Alert | | Finally, thank you thank you!!!!!!!!! | | | |
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| | spedteachr
Posts:13
| | 11/01/2007 2:18 PM |
Alert | | What do you do if you have 4 vehicles and a two car garage? No parking on gravel in my OWN front yard? Make the whole yard cement!! | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/01/2007 2:18 PM |
Alert | Not so much. Some questions that I asked:
#1: During holidays we frequently see neighbors guests parking their cars in front of our house. Since it would be illegal for us to restrict the public road in front of our house, how do we prevent these cars from being confused as ours or our guests when they are not?
During the holidays we will not be enforcing the parking restrictions as strictly as we have in the past because people will have family and friends over and to visit. We also have the ability now through our partnership with the city to find out specifically where cars belong.
#2: We have neighbors who frequently park their cars in front of our house overnight. Since these cars do not belong to us, how do we prevent the notification from going to us?
We will do our best to check all of the vehicles through the city prior to mailing a citation. This will not always happen as there are a minimum of 200 cars per night parked on the streets so to search them all would be more than the city will most likely do for us.
#3: What is considered overnight parking? What time frames?
Overnight parking is considered anything parked over 12 hours on the street. Enforcement will be done between Midnight and 4AM.
#4: I am not the homeowner but I do live in the neighborhood. I did not agree to any CC&Rs, so how can AAM enforce any action against the homeowner for my legal use of the public street? Would stickers placed on my vehicle not be considered vandalism?
You may not be the owner but you do reside in the community, by this the homeowner is bound by the CC&Rs therefore the home is. You are not being enforced against the homeowner is, and any violations or fines received are attached to the homeowners account, what he does with them after that is up to him. No a sticker is not vandalism, we have a right to enforce our CC&R’s which gives us the right to enforce parking therefore notifying you with a sticker is advisory.
I don't like this at all. How did AAM get the city to agree to hand over private information? | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3018
| | 11/01/2007 3:14 PM |
Alert | Wow.. Yeah for over night parking enforcement... Nay to the city giving out private information.
Why can't the HOA ask for everyone to register their cars with the HOA so that they don't need the City to help enforce the rules.
I am a home owner and I park in my garage. I wouldn't care if they new my plate number. | |
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| | J9Design
Posts:271
| | 11/01/2007 5:47 PM |
Alert | The problem here is going to be people getting cited for their neighbor's cars or visitor's cars parked in front of their homes. The way this is written is going to encourage people with a lot of cars to park in front of other's homes. The violation goes to the house that the car is parked in front of, unless they can attach that car to a particular RED address.
It would be like a car getting photo'd for speed and the ticket going to the business he just happened to be in front of when the camera clicked.
There is no way to positively attach most cars parking on the street to a particular home. Many plates for street parkers happen to be from out of state. We park in our garage or at least in the driveway when we are working in the garage, but many people will park in front of our home while visiting neighbor's. According to the RED policy and Melinda, we would be issued the violation. Since this happens frequently, I can look forward to a bunch of time spent on the phone trying to make sure that not even a warning stays in our file.
This should be a city issue, and the citations should go to the vehicle owner, not the closest home to the car.
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werunohu
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|  | My3AAAs!
Posts:109
| | 11/02/2007 3:00 PM |
Alert | | About time! One of my neighbors is constantly parking on the street. They are renting a house that has a 3 car garage and they only have 2 vehicles. One is in the garage but for whatever reason this guy has to park his car on the street in front of the house. Very annoying! In terms of the person in the house getting the letter, it just a matter of notifying the HOA that the car in front of your house is not yours but rather your neighbors. I am sure they will work with you and it's easy enough to verify if they wanted to. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/02/2007 3:59 PM |
Alert | In terms of the person in the house getting the letter, it just a matter of notifying the HOA that the car in front of your house is not yours but rather your neighbors. I am sure they will work with you and it's easy enough to verify if they wanted to.
You miss the point. Why should we be inconvenienced in taking time to call them and get the matter straightened out? | |
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| | My3AAAs!
Posts:109
| | 11/02/2007 4:08 PM |
Alert | | No I didn't miss the point. I would rather be inconvenienced a little bit and have them enforce the rules than not having them enforce the rules. | | | |
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| | trjg
Posts:13
| | 11/02/2007 5:29 PM |
Alert | #2: We have neighbors who frequently park their cars in front of our house overnight. Since these cars do not belong to us, how do we prevent the notification from going to us?
"We will do our best to check all of the vehicles through the city prior to mailing a citation. This will not always happen as there are a minimum of 200 cars per night parked on the streets so to search them all would be more than the city will most likely do for us."
Are you kidding me? This wouldn't stand up in any court! You can't fine me for something that I didn't do without proof. Even in a courtroom, you are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. How in the world can they fine someone without confirming guilt? You have to builld a case before even filing charges against someone. Now I have to worry about taking my time and energy to prove my innocence? Please!
In addition, what does this mean if you have someone visiting from Chandler who decides to stay over to avoid drunk drivers on the 347 (an already dangerous road) at night? Do we send them out into the night out of fear that we will be fined for their car being parked in front of our house? Seriously, this is insane! Let's just take it a step further and mandate a curfew to be upheld by ALL citizens within Maricopa. Big brother has enough to worry about. Resources should be used to rid this city of gang members!
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| | J9Design
Posts:271
| | 11/02/2007 5:54 PM |
Alert | trjg- Yes! you see the point! Finally, someone who sees that just becasue someone came up with a solution, doesn't mean that solution is a good one.
and yes, if a friend from Chandler comes and stays the night, and parks on the street, you would get the fine if they parked in front of your house. Your neighbor would get it if they parked there.
In terms of the person in the house getting the letter, it just a matter of notifying the HOA that the car in front of your house is not yours but rather your neighbors. I am sure they will work with you and it's easy enough to verify if they wanted to.
My3AAA's-It is not easy enough to verify if the car in front of your home is a neighbors visitor from down the street. The address that would be registered to the car wouldn't be listed here, and you have no way of positively showing the HOA that you do not know the people. The implication is that if you expect guests, register them in advance. If you don't then that is your fault.
Again, ticketing the HOME for the car in front of it is like citing the business that the speeder was in front of when the camera happened to click for photo radar.
I personally do not have the time to periodically argue with the HOA for the repeated parkers that park in front of my home. It is a regular occurence, and we park in the garage. they should first have some proof that the person parking there is associated with me. We should then be able to block the space in front of our homes from midnight to 4 am. Oh wait, these are city streets under city jurisdiction. If the HOA wants to partner with the City they sould do so in a legal logical way.
Send the fine to the vehicle owner, yes, and POST SIGNS notifying people driving through RED of no overnight parking. But to ticket the home that the car is in front of?? A nuisance, not a logical solution. | |
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| | llggs
Posts:35
| | 11/03/2007 8:48 PM |
Alert | I have absolutely no problem with it. I'm tired of all of my neighbors parking their cars on the street and making my neighborhood look even junkier. Do not all of you at least have a two car garage? Well that means you can park your 4 cars on your property (2 in the garage and 2 in the driveway).
I also believe some of these examples are to the extreme. I'm doubting a violation will be given for a friend spending the night. What the association is looking for is those who continue to violate the CC&R's (which you agreed to follow when you purchased your home) by parking their car on the street overnight everyday. | |
In celebration of your life Russ!
Oh and I previously had 1 trillion posts! | |
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| | trjg
Posts:13
| | 11/03/2007 9:43 PM |
Alert | I personally think that the primary objective, especially with the weakened economy, should be to attract more buyers in Maricopa. This recent initiative seems to be more of a repellent.
I don't know where you live, but my neighbors drive nice cars. Your comment reflects the opinion that you feel your neighborhood is "junky" even without cars parked in front of your house. Maybe you should address those issues first?
These people who you feel are nothing more than nuisances are, in fact, your neighbors. You chose to move to a community that included other people. If you don’t want to be bothered by neighbors, maybe you should think about moving to a house surrounded by nothing but cactus as far as the eye can see. I personally don't mind living amongst other people.
You have a point, we all have driveways. This means that I can park my car on my property, so why should I care if someone needs to park their car in front of my house? We all need to learn to live as a community.
I am curious to know when enough is enough. Should we also stop people from walking on the sidewalk in front of our houses just because we don’t agree with their choice of attire?
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| | Blue Orchid
Posts:656
| | 11/04/2007 12:15 AM |
Alert | As a 3rd shift worker, I can't tell you how frustrating it is trying to drive down the street with cars parked on both sides. Especially when another car is coming from the other direction. Most nights I have to pull over behind a parked car to let the other car pass or vice versa. So I can understand the need for some sort of enforcement.
I plan on contacting Melinda on Monday to see if it would be possible to give her our vehicle information in advance. If I can, I hope that this will prevent us from getting cited for someone else's vehicle.
I also plan on asking if I can leave her a message with a visitor's vehicle infomation for any unexpected or unplanned for overnight stays.
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| | J9Design
Posts:271
| | 11/04/2007 12:08 PM |
Alert |
I also believe some of these examples are to the extreme. I'm doubting a violation will be given for a friend spending the night. What the association is looking for is those who continue to violate the CC&R's (which you agreed to follow when you purchased your home) by parking their car on the street overnight everyday.
People have contacted Melinda at the HOA, and her response indicated that unless you notify them in advance of visiting friends or relatives, their cars on the street are fair game for a citation--which goes to whosever house they are parked in front of.
The point was that this is not a logical way to enforce an HOA rule. Partnering with the city for information should be explained.
It has been said many times that there is a need for enforcement, but ticketing the homeowner whose house the car is parked in front of is not going to be a solution. We too like our neighbors, and understand that they are going to have company etc and have no problem with them parking in front of the house on a temporary basis. However, there are some who will park in front of someone else's house jsut to avoid getting the citation themselves. Then, the homeowner, who is following the rules, will have to call and try to explain that the visitors were not theirs.
Colgate, that is fine if you give them YOUR info, but it will do no good when someone who does not live here or has out of state plates or a business vehicle from their place of employment parked in front of your home. According to Melinda, the citation goes to the homeowner whose house the vehicle is parked in front of.
Make it a city wide ordinance, put a small notice sign at all entrances, "No overnight parking" and let the city handle the issue--ticketing where it belongs --to the VEHICLE OWNER. Seems to me city citations from the city for this issue would generate enough to pay for our next park, or even a library! | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/04/2007 12:14 PM |
Alert | What the association is looking for is those who continue to violate the CC&R's (which you agreed to follow when you purchased your home) by parking their car on the street overnight everyday.
I did not agree to any CC&Rs. The HOA has no right to restrict parking on a public street for those who do not agree to CC&Rs. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/04/2007 12:15 PM |
Alert | | I'm sick and tired of the people that throw away their's and other people's rights just so they can get what they want when they want it. | |
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| | My3AAAs!
Posts:109
| | 11/05/2007 9:10 AM |
Alert | You guy's are incredible.... You are complaining about the rules of the HOA so why did you buy here knowing that it's an HOA community? The parking rule was clearly in the CC&R's. If you didn't like it you should have thought twice about buying here.
We rented a house while this one was being built that had the same rules about no overnight parking. We got a letter in the mail from the HOA about someone parking in front of our house and we were going to be sited for it. All we had to do was call them up and explain that it's not our car, we also gave them our license number and that was it. No arguing was needed. In addition, when we knew that we were going to have guests over in advanced that required them to park overnight on the street, we just let them know and that was it.... It's just a matter of working with the HOA.
I agree with Blue Orchid. The streets are not wide enough to have people parking on the streets and not in the empty drive ways. Van Loo is a perfect example. They constantly have cars parked on the streets instead of in their empty drive ways so if a car is driving the opposite direction, you do have to pull off to the side for the other car to get through.
Whenever we have overnight guest, they park in our drive way. No big deal.... | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/05/2007 10:28 AM |
Alert | You guy's are incredible.... You are complaining about the rules of the HOA so why did you buy here knowing that it's an HOA community?
One...more...time...
The HOA is not taking proper steps to identify who the car belongs to before fining a homeowner. We don't need more hassle from companies that are too lazy to actually figure out who the car belongs to properly before mailing out fines! We get enough from companies that can't bill correctly, we don't need an HOA blasting out fines hoping someone will pay. Sure, you say "all we had to do was call them up", but it is not always that simple. Companies do not always listen.
Beyond that, I want to know how the HOA is obtaining private information protected by law. And lastly, they have no right to restrict me parking on the street, as I did not agree to the CC&Rs. They have no right to restrict guests either. It is a public street. End of story. I don't know how more plain it can be. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/05/2007 10:45 AM |
Alert | | If you don't want cars on the street, talk to the city and get them to put up signs. That would definitively make it so no one can park on the street, which is what you guys seem to want. I don't really understand the concern anyway. I drive down streets with cars on both sides and when there is oncoming traffic, I pull over and let the other car pass. No problem. Is that such a big inconvenience? | |
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