8DaysDazed
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 Alert | Pretty interesting acticle to say the least.
One morning in late 1997, Stanley Miller lifted a glass vial from a cold, bubbling vat. For 25 years he had tended the vial as though it were an exotic orchid, checking it daily, adding a few pellets of dry ice as needed to keep it at –108 degrees Fahrenheit. He had told hardly a soul about it. Now he set the frozen time capsule out to thaw, ending the experiment that had lasted more than one-third of his 68 years.
Miller had filled the vial in 1972 with a mixture of ammonia and cyanide, chemicals that scientists believe existed on early Earth and may have contributed to the rise of life. He had then cooled the mix to the temperature of Jupiter’s icy moon Europa—too cold, most scientists had assumed, for much of anything to happen. Miller disagreed. Examining the vial in his laboratory at the University of California at San Diego, he was about to see who was right.
As Miller and his former student Jeffrey Bada brushed the frost from the vial that morning, they could see that something had happened. The mixture of ammonia and cyanide, normally colorless, had deepened to amber, highlighting a web of cracks in the ice. Miller nodded calmly, but Bada exclaimed in shock. It was a color that both men knew well—the color of complex polymers made up of organic molecules. Tests later confirmed Miller's and Bada’s hunch. Over a quarter-century, the frozen ammonia-cyanide blend had coalesced into the molecules of life: nucleobases, the building blocks of RNA and DNA, and amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. The vial’s contents would support a new account of how life began on Earth and would arouse both surprise and skepticism around the world.
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/feb/did-life-evolve-in-ice
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ken
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| | 02/03/2008 11:13 AM |
Alert | I enjoyed that article, it was indeed quite interesting. Some people may think this article shows that there is no god, but to me it just shows us the way God did his work. Science doesn't disprove the existence of God, it just explains how some of His tools work.  | |
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8DaysDazed
Posts:132
| | 02/03/2008 11:30 AM |
Alert | | does it bother you that the conditions that the scientists created in this experiment were those of the early earth...some 4 billion years ago? Doesn't that throw off the biblical time table a little bit? | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 02/03/2008 5:34 PM |
Alert | | Doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe the bible is inaccurate, maybe it is not. The difference in my view as opposed to most is that science brought me TO God, not AWAY from him. If you truly look at the creation of the universe and even if you subscribe to the big bang theory, if you go back far enough, the only explanation that makes sense is that someone/something created us. No matter how much info science comes up with, they can not and will not ever answer the question of how it all started. The only reasonable explanation is that somethings are just so complicated and complex that the human mind is not capable of understanding it. When I get to that point... God is the only answer. | |
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JasonY
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| | 02/04/2008 9:49 AM |
Alert | | One can believe the Earth is billions of years old and also believe God created it....not an issue there......... | |
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8DaysDazed
Posts:132
| | 02/04/2008 11:26 AM |
Alert | Ken you sound a lot like Kirk Cameron. Here's a clip of him on Bill O'Reilly.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r5J0cSnYnFg&feature=related
Just because something is complicated or difficult to understand doesn't mean there has to be a designer. | | | |
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hastings1066
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| | 02/04/2008 1:04 PM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/04/2008 11:26 AM
Ken you sound a lot like Kirk Cameron. Here's a clip of him on Bill O'Reilly.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r5J0cSnYnFg&feature=related
Just because something is complicated or difficult to understand doesn't mean there has to be a designer.
The universe is much more complicated that a mechanical clock for example. Can you imagine such a clock just happening, no plan, designer, or creator? If something as inconsequential as a clock needs a creator, why not an infinitely more complex universe? | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 02/04/2008 1:08 PM |
Alert | I rather agree with a lot of what Kirk Cameron said. However, Kirk Cameron does not believe in evolution. I have no problem with the idea of evolution, I just think evolution, if it does exist, is a controlled experiment with God at the helm and not just some random mess of accidents.
One thing I did find interesting in that video is the explanation by the atheist as to how evolutionists don't believe something came from nothing. It was really quite comical. He explained that in the beginning there were chemicals and amino acids and the like... well where the heck did that stuff come from? God maybe? If not still sounds like something from nothing.
We can debate this topic day and night but the truth of the matter is there is no ABSOLUTE proof that God exists. However, there is no proof that He doesn't exist either. When it all comes down to it, whether you want to admit it or not, both of our view points are guided by our faith  | |
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Jason
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| | 02/04/2008 1:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/04/2008 11:26 AM
Ken you sound a lot like Kirk Cameron. Here's a clip of him on Bill O'Reilly.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r5J0cSnYnFg&feature=related
Just because something is complicated or difficult to understand doesn't mean there has to be a designer.
Or reversed, that cliché works like this:
Just because something can be explained without a designer, that doesn't mean it arose without one. | |
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Jason
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| | 02/04/2008 1:13 PM |
Alert | One thing I did find interesting in that video is the explanation by the atheist as to how evolutionists don't believe something came from nothing. It was really quite comical. He explained that in the beginning there were chemicals and amino acids and the like... well where the heck did that stuff come from? God maybe? If not still sounds like something from nothing.
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8DaysDazed
Posts:132
| | 02/04/2008 1:29 PM |
Alert | | Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Scientists know this, Creationists do not and claim god did it. It's fascinating how ID'ers say God created the laws of physics but yet had to break the Laws of Conservation to do so. Actually it's "comical". | | | |
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ken
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| | 02/04/2008 1:34 PM |
Alert | | So if matter cannot be created or destroyed... where did it come from? | |
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8DaysDazed
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| | 02/04/2008 2:00 PM |
Alert | | Ken, I think you answered your own question....it always existed in one form or another. | | | |
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8DaysDazed
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| | 02/04/2008 2:00 PM |
Alert | | sorry double post. trying to get to 25. | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 02/04/2008 2:14 PM |
Alert | | God has always existed as well. If the idea of matter having always existed is possible, how is it not possible to think that God had always existed as well and took a role in forming that matter into what it is today? | |
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RichTig
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| | 02/04/2008 2:23 PM |
Alert | Where did god come from?
Does god have parents?
Does he have other god-type buddies?
Does god have other planets with life on them? | | | |
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8DaysDazed
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| | 02/04/2008 2:25 PM |
Alert | | because there is no proof that God was around 13.6B years ago when the universe as we know it came to be. Besides if God created the Laws of Physics, wouldn't he be bound by them or at least inclined to follow them? | | | |
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hastings1066
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| | 02/04/2008 2:50 PM |
Alert | | Some would say that the proof is in the work. If all things have a cause, what would you call the prime cause? | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 02/04/2008 3:10 PM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 02/04/2008 2:23 PM
Where did god come from?
Like matter in the big band theory... he has always been.
Does god have parents?
Depending on the religion, He is both the Father and the Son.
Does he have other god-type buddies?
From what I've read he has angels, but no other gods. This is again depending on the religion.
Does god have other planets with life on them?
He might... baring any alien invasions I guess we'll all just have to wait until we get there to ask him.
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ken
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| | 02/04/2008 3:13 PM |
Alert | Posted By 8DaysDazed on 02/04/2008 2:25 PM
because there is no proof that God was around 13.6B years ago when the universe as we know it came to be. Besides if God created the Laws of Physics, wouldn't he be bound by them or at least inclined to follow them?
From my experience it seems like he does follow the laws of physics most of the time. Its only when hes got to explain himself to a non-believer like you does he go do some crazy stuff like walking on water :p | |
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