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Subject: Prediction: The Situation at Queen Creek Will Not Improve
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JasonUser is Offline

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02/15/2008 9:36 AM Alert 

If you look at the way they added lanes to the overpass, you can see that the new left turn lane is further left of the existing turn bay leading up to the overpass. Since they didn't widen this turn bay, traffic will continue to back up onto 347 and I suspect that people will still make dangerous lane changes trying to skip the backup and control-freak drivers will do everything they can to prevent it instead of avoiding an accident.

 

Why don't they get it? The problem was not on the overpass, they solved that by retiming the light. The problem is with backups is on 347 and they did nothing to address that. More money down the drain, just like the Casa Blanca traffic light.


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02/15/2008 2:25 PM Alert 

I agree with this post and i fall into the "control-freak" category.  lol. 

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02/15/2008 2:48 PM Alert 

I've been watching this construction and feeling similarly pessimistic that it would do any good at all with traffic flow. *sigh*

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02/15/2008 2:54 PM Alert 

Isn't there going to be TWO left turn lanes?  Won't this double the amount of cars that can go at one light?  How does this not help?

JasonUser is Offline

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02/15/2008 3:41 PM Alert 

There are two turn lanes, but not where the bottleneck is. Right now, when the light turns green to start going over the bridge, the left arrow at the other end simultaneously turns green. There is no bottleneck over the bridge, because there is no delay. The bottleneck is down the hill on 347, where there is only one lane of access to turn. They did not add a second turn bay prior to going onto the bridge, so there is no increased capacity where the backup is happening.

Cars approaching this will see a backup of the same length and proceed to do the same thing they have always done.

 

The ONLY way this will improve flow is for drivers to treat the first through lane as a turn bay and then the drivers in the turn bay immediately going into the left most turn lane. That way drivers in the through lane can move into the right most left turn lane. That would effectively make it two left turn bays and reduce congestion.

So fellow Maricopans, the only hold up to having an orderly flow of traffic are the control freaks that insist you wait in line. Just allow two orderly lines to form and your traffic nightmares will be solved.


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movinonupUser is Offline

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02/18/2008 10:10 AM Alert 

Um, they should wait in line.  Either way this solves nothing.  Way to go ADOT!  lol.

PKMetUser is Offline

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02/18/2008 11:31 AM Alert 
Typical morons at ADOT who have no clue. How many millions of our tax dollars have been wasted on this project? It's been a comedy of errors since it began.

They are who we thought they were!
JasonUser is Offline

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02/18/2008 2:20 PM Alert 
Posted By movinonup on 02/18/2008 10:10 AM

Um, they should wait in line.  Either way this solves nothing.  Way to go ADOT!  lol.



Guess you're not interested in improved traffic flow, huh?


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movinonupUser is Offline

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02/18/2008 2:43 PM Alert 

No, sorry, not today.  Try me tomorrow   I just like to think i'm just as important as the people who cut in line. 

It's called common courtesy, look it up.  lol.

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02/19/2008 8:06 AM Alert 
I just like to think i'm just as important as the people who cut in line.


clearly, youre misguided!

a lot of the time i agree with jason, but on this one i disagree. i waited my turn, you wait yours too. cutting over at the last minute frequently is dangerous, and someone going 20 miles an hour to try to squeeze over to the left is really messed up for all the people trying to go straight over that bridge.

"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door."
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02/19/2008 9:25 AM Alert 

That's the kind of attitude that will keep us stuck with traffic problems. I'm suggesting that if everyone in the left turn bay were to move into the left most turn lane, then the next lane over could have unfettered access to the second turn lane. This would effectively do what ADOT couldn't or wouldn't: give us two turn bays.

There's absolutely nothing dangerous about this, unless you get people that staunchly refuse to break the silly concept of a "line".

 

This is called common courtesy. When you have sole access to two lanes, the curteous thing to do would be to move into the other lane so more people can smoothly flow through.


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02/19/2008 10:02 AM Alert 

Nah, I think most of us think you're wrong on this one Jason.  I don't think you know much about traffic flow or anything of the sort.  I think you're thinking from your point of view but in reality people are supposed to line up and file into that space, not unsafely cut off other drivers to save time.  Plus a solid white line indicates that you shouldn't cross it.

Facts is facts. 

JasonUser is Offline

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02/19/2008 10:14 AM Alert 

See, you're not reading what I'm saying, you're reading what you think I'm saying. I'm not saying that anyone should cut off someone else. I'm asking for a little cooperation so that we can get what ADOT didn't give us: two left turn lanes. Is that too much to ask?

 

And no, a solid white line does not mean that you shouldn't cross it.


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02/19/2008 10:33 AM Alert 
There's absolutely nothing dangerous about this


youve seen the way people drive...do you really think that people are capable of doing what you suggest? i like you jason, youre spot on about a lot of things, including the fact that the second lane up there over the bridge isnt going to do squat.

people going southbound couldnt figure out that the left most lane was a turn lane, when it was marked (not all that well, granted) and had two signs. they went straight from the turn lane constantly (and several almost hit me.) do you expect people to figure this one out, with no markings? and people just passing through, with no idea of the conventions "locals" use, would hose it all up again, and make it more dangerous, as people from the straight lane, would expect the left turn lane people to just move, and be less likely to look before changing lanes.

"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door."
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02/19/2008 10:44 AM Alert 
you can justify how "safe" it is to allow people to cut ahead all you want.. Fact is, only 10% of the cutters are actually safe.. and no matter how you spin it, waiting is the safest thing to do..

As a driver of the right-hand lane (I don't onto I-10, I go down QC).. I can say that 90% of the people who cut ahead end up STOPPING in the through lane with their turn signal on.. turn left from the wrong lane.. or usually cut someone off within inches.. how exactly is any of this safer than waiting??

The SAFEST thing to do is wait. Period.

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JasonUser is Offline

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02/19/2008 11:03 AM Alert 
you can justify how "safe" it is to allow people to cut ahead all you want.. Fact is, only 10% of the cutters are actually safe.. and no matter how you spin it, waiting is the safest thing to do..


For the last time, I wasn't talking about cutting. Please let me know once you've read and understood what I had to say.

youve seen the way people drive...do you really think that people are capable of doing what you suggest? i like you jason, youre spot on about a lot of things, including the fact that the second lane up there over the bridge isnt going to do squat.


Yeah, I'm just dreaming I guess...

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RabbitUser is Offline

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02/19/2008 11:13 AM Alert 
Yeah, I'm just dreaming I guess...


im reminded of an einstein quote...

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.


sorry man, i feel your pain. used to take the 10 to downtown every morning for a good long time, and got really tired of having to deal with that section of road which is clearly not up to the volume of traffic.

im sure to some extent the situation youre looking at will happen...but probably not enough to make a difference, and it is most likely going to impact those of us who go straight through there.

"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door."
JasonUser is Offline

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02/19/2008 11:35 AM Alert 
By straight through, you mean over the bridge and on to Queen Creek? There's still a second through lane.

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RabbitUser is Offline

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02/19/2008 12:54 PM Alert 
yah, over the bridge onto queen creek. there is a second through lane, usually occupied by some vehicle that thinks the speed limit is 25.

"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door."
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02/21/2008 8:42 AM Alert 
hmm...came through this morning at quarter to 7, and there was no backed up traffic, since the second turn lane was opened.

"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door."
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